Evidence of meeting #119 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was back.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Arianne Reza  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Mollie Royds  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Procurement Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Dominic Laporte  Assistant Deputy Minister, Procurement Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Catherine Poulin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Departmental Oversight Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

6:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That's always been my reaction over the years, but it's generally their support. For the sake of argument, it would be Minister Anand, her DM, an ADM and maybe the CFO. That's typical. It's just because it's three departments at once, and that's how we ended up with the number.

6:55 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

The idea here, though, is to spread it out, because we have seen that before—

6:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm hoping, yes, that we can find agreement to do it over four hours, if they are only available on the 29th.

6:55 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Then, if I may, we want the Canada Post CEO separately on our study, ideally—

6:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That has been the declared will of the committee, that the president of Canada Post appear separately on the rural post office study.

6:55 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I have one more matter related to Canada Post, but I don't know if you want to wrap this up first.

6:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'd prefer if we could wrap it up, because I see Mr. Perkins is getting impatient.

6:55 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Okay, can I just throw out this one very short piece?

7 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Yes.

7 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I've spoken with you about it.

In the document order that was just returned from Canada Post regarding the closure of post offices since the 1994 moratorium, there is very scant information. We were very specific about what information we were requesting, and all that is provided is a two-column list and the number of post offices closed per year. We wanted specifically the communities in which they were closed and the reason for closure, so I would love to empower you, Mr. Chair, to go back to them and clarify the original request and demand the documents.

7 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm glad you brought that up. I noticed that myself, because that was something I added in, I think—the reason for the closure. If everyone's fine with this, we'll just write them a letter asking them to provide the information.

Is that fine?

7 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

7 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Mr. Perkins, go ahead, keeping in mind we turn into pumpkins in about five to 10 minutes.

May 1st, 2024 / 7 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm bringing up my favourite subjects—Stellantis and Volkswagen contracts. We've had a number of motions since December. I think MP Masse had one on here that attempted to find a solution back then to narrow the scope rather than having just the whole contracts. There has been lots of discussion by Liberal members about how, if we released the whole contracts, there would be some sort of commercial sensitivity in that.

In the spirit of compromise, I've circulated to the clerk a proposed motion that tries to accommodate the concerns that were expressed by several other parties. While I believe there is very little that's commercially sensitive in the contracts—because the Liberal ministers, the Prime Minister and this committee have spoken at length about the number of jobs associated with each contract in both the construction and production phases—there should be absolutely no commercial sensitivity if the government releases the clauses in the contracts related specifically to the job commitments in those contracts and makes them public.

Since all those numbers that have been talked about in the House, in public and in the media—the 2,500, the 2,700 and the 1,300—are not obviously commercially sensitive, the clauses around those should be released.

The first part of the motion, which I won't read here because we're short on time, basically lists the companies we're talking about. The second part says basically that we want the contract clauses that detail the job commitments, including any and all prohibitions or limits on the use of foreign replacement workers; any requirements that require Canadian citizens or permanent residents to be employed; any and all references to direct, indirect and induced job commitments; and any penalties for failing contractual obligations to be outlined.

There are a few other things it asks for. Once the committee has those, it asks for ministers and officials from both the companies and the departments to appear to answer questions related to those job commitments.

Since this is basically what the NDP has been asking for and since the Liberals have been saying that they can't release the whole contracts because they're commercially sensitive, this part isn't. I would find it hard to believe, then, that anyone in this committee would vote against this motion. If you would, that means there's obviously something else to hide that says that these commitments don't do what the government has publicly said they do.

I'll leave it there, since we're short on time, Mr. Chair, and consider this tabled. Hopefully, we can vote on it today.

7 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Chair, this is the first time I'm laying eyes on this motion, so I'd like us to suspend. Could you give us 10 minutes to read through it, please?

7 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm afraid we're not going to have resources for that if we suspend. I see Mr. Bachrach. We're not going to be able to do that because of the lack of time. Is there a desire to vote on this right now, considering there would be a very similar outcome on Monday?

7 p.m.

Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Can we do this on Monday?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

It's the same, a carbon copy.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That's what I'm saying. Is there a desire, then, to vote on it? My worry is—

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

How can you say it's a carbon copy?

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

We can go. We'll have to suspend in a few minutes, and I'd rather we voted on it to put it to bed so that we won't interrupt our meeting on red tape on Monday.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I would need time to actually read and study. I want to give Mr. Perkins' motion its due respect.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Okay. We can't suspend, but why don't we skip over to Mr. Bachrach, and then we can come back to you on the speaking list first?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Sure.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Mr. Bachrach, go ahead.