Environment committee  Thank you. I was very interested in the transfer to NSERC and how Environment and Climate Change Canada is working with other departments. Dr. Hebert said that we can get DNA from our weather forecasting using existing equipment. Is that science going to Industry and Innovation or is it going to Environment and Climate Change?

Environment committee  In his reports on climate change, specifically the one on pollution pricing, he stated that he had not considered the impact of climate change in his analysis.

Environment committee  When asked what people would remember of our government, he said that it's the first government to ever take climate change seriously in the history of Canada. This is someone who used to work for the NDP, not someone who worked for the Liberals. I think a lot of people out there see that we're doing more than anyone has ever done to fight climate change, but you and I would agree that we need to do more.

Environment committee  As you know very well, Mr. Deltell, the fight against climate change requires an international effort. There is no answer or solution to climate change if we do not work together, all of us, at the international level. Roughly speaking, the G20 countries account for about 80% of all greenhouse gas emissions in the world.

Environment committee  Moffet on an answer he gave a while ago about the methodological differences between Environment and Climate Change Canada and the Parliamentary Budget Officer. Mr. Moffet, if I understood you correctly, your department has a model that links the carbon tax to the effect of Canada's CO2 emissions on the change in global temperatures, and the change in global temperatures to Canada's GDP.

Environment committee  It is an economy-wide, computable general equilibrium model that can estimate the GDP impacts of various issues, including climate change or any new measure, such as the carbon price, regulation X or program Y.

Environment committee  The answer, as we've stated repeatedly, is that carbon pricing has and will continue to reduce emissions, which will have the effect of reducing increases in the adverse effects of climate change.

Environment committee  Is an adverse effect of climate change global warming?

Environment committee  There is a fairly well-established methodology for estimating the incremental impact of a tonne of greenhouse gas emissions—regardless of where it comes from—on the overall climate and progression of climate change, in terms of whether it will get worse or better.

Environment committee  That will be, importantly, relative to impacts on GDP in the absence of having taken action on climate change.

Environment committee  Tremblay as well. We've heard about the cost of the carbon pricing system, but there is a huge cost to climate change. When we are comparing the impact of crop failures, droughts and extreme flooding on grocery store prices and folks who are struggling to pay for their food, do we have numbers on what the impact of the carbon pricing system is for Canadians?

Environment committee  With the way he calculated it, if he doesn't take that into account.... I trust he is using the right numbers, but we would take into account the cost of climate change. It's the same thing when he doesn't take into account the investments from businesses to green their businesses or invest in clean energy, which also creates jobs and creates growth in the economy.

Environment committee  To summarize, if I heard you correctly, Environment and Climate Change Canada has methodological issues with the Parliamentary Budget Officer. Is that what I understood?

Environment committee  It is not our goal, and it is not what Canadians voted for in 2015, 2019 or 2021. Canadians strongly believe that we should be leaders on fighting climate change and lowering our emissions. I don't know how those failed aspirations of the former leader of the Conservative Party found their way back into the contemporary political debate, but they're here; like a zombie; they won't die.

Environment committee  Why does Environment and Climate Change Canada not track something like that? One has to understand that environmental policies don't impact only the environment; they impact the cost of living and Canadians' day-to-day lives.