Information & Ethics committee  In the end, I think to some extent this goes back to how we debate very tough issues and what example we set on resolving conflicts and setting policy agendas. The children are watching, the youth are watching, and this is also what the fuel is for dis- and misinformation, particularly from state and non-state actors that want to influence us.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't have a lot to say about that except to note that the integrated approaches are the most effective. If you see something online and then you see an analog in the real world that confirms that opinion, or it's suggested to you that things in the actual physical world based on an online campaign are reflecting your beliefs online, then that's going to be another vector and a confirmation in physical space for some potentially pretty malign opinions.

Information & Ethics committee  Again, I'm going to get back to what the resiliency is that we need to protect for Canada and Canadians. How are you going to support your houses of Parliament and citizens to be clearer about how they protect themselves from these sorts of risks?

Information & Ethics committee  There's an education piece, but I think there also needs to be a rights framework there.

Information & Ethics committee  I think parliamentarians need to understand what resilience means, and they have to have an understanding of what you're building resilience to. You have to look at Canada's strategic industries and how mis- and disinformation might be used to disrupt our agri-food system and food security, our national energy policy and the resilience and networks there, and, of course, election security.

Information & Ethics committee  If we don't really think about this deliberatively, cohesively and with strategies both for Parliament and for citizens, we're going to move more deeply and more quickly into the world that Mr. Finkelstein has mentioned. I've done work looking at the emergence of these technologies now for 20 years.

Information & Ethics committee  I would agree with Mr. Finkelstein on the question of having an investigatory capacity. I think that's important. More broadly, I think it's really about looking at the offices of Parliament and thinking about how to protect your ability as parliamentarians to ensure what you're working with as your ground truth is based on fact: how to do that, how to train your staff and how to build their capacity to be resilient so that everyone who then interacts with you, whether it's your constituents or others, knows that you're at least a trusted source.

Information & Ethics committee  My respect for your work as legislators and parliamentarians is implicit in my remarks. As a strategic foresight consultant, I advise business, government, higher education, NGOs and registered charities about comprehensively and strategically thinking about the future. Once clients understand plausible scenarios that they may face, they can prepare for disruptions.

Information & Ethics committee  The only thing I could add to my esteemed panellists here is another potentially benign use case. They may contradict me on this, but one of them is using FRT to prevent industrial accidents. If there are operators who are tired or sleepy—this could include long-haul truckers, others in nuclear or other kinds of industrial facilities, or in health, where they're falling asleep and not being alert to one's lack of attention—it could be potentially beneficial.

Information & Ethics committee  This is where we don't really know how to protect Canadians in that way on the commercial side. That's why there has been discussion of data portability, where Canadians would have the right to their own data but also to earn money from it should they consent to it being used transactionally.

Information & Ethics committee  I'd be happy to do so.

Information & Ethics committee  A moratorium, as you know, is a pause. It's to gather information and insight both from within organizations and from outside organizations and to gather and assess and then determine what kinds of guardrails might be imposed should that moratorium be lifted. If this is a question of “'math' destruction”, as Dr.

Information & Ethics committee  I would defer to my colleagues who have studied the developments in artificial intelligence and facial recognition technology more closely.

Information & Ethics committee  Okay. This would need to be confirmed, but there are stories of it being used in children's toys, children's applications and things like that. That needs to be verified, but I recall seeing that in a UN report. Thanks.

Information & Ethics committee  Just to clarify, I haven't advised companies on their use of FRT. It would be a bit of an accident if they happened to be using it. The projects I've worked on haven't been FRT specific. A project I've worked on recently with the World Congress on Justice for Children on the future of child justice—