Evidence of meeting #59 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was change.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Sean Keenan  Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Brian McCauley  Assistant Commissioner, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Pierre Mercille  Senior Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, GST Legislation, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lucia Di Primio  Chief, Excise Policy, Sales Tax Division, Excise Act, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gordon Boissonneault  Senior Advisor, Economic Analysis and Forecasting Division, Demand and Labour Analysis, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jane Pearse  Director, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Annie Hardy  Chief, Financial Institutions Division, Structural Issues, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Ling Wang  Chief, Financial Institutions Division, Housing Finance Review, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Commissioner, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch, Canada Revenue Agency

Brian McCauley

They'll be in the form they return annually. We're going to integrate them in there, so there will not be an additional form.

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I'm sure they'll be glad to be hear that, because it's a chronic complaint.

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Assistant Commissioner, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch, Canada Revenue Agency

Brian McCauley

It makes it easier for us too.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Absolutely.

On the expanded reporting requirements on foreign donations for political activities, how do you see that being of value to the donors and the taxpayers? We're thrilled when we make a donation to the United Way. We get our receipt. They do the reporting, and we claim it. You ask yourself why this particular change is in place. How can that be construed as somehow being to the benefit of the donor, or even the taxpayers? Maybe that's a political question.

3:40 p.m.

Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Sean Keenan

Fair enough. One of the purposes of having charities provide information and making it available on CRA's website is so Canadians who are donating to those charities can have information about their activities. How much do they spend on fundraising and certain administrative expenses? How much goes for other purposes? To the extent that they are engaging in political activities that are being funded from outside Canada, that may be information that donors will find informative in making decisions on how to donate.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

If there was controversy about who was—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you, Mr. Marston.

Mrs. McLeod is next, please.

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Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I went to the technical briefing, so I don't have any questions at this time about the section.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

Ms. Nash, please.

May 16th, 2012 / 3:40 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you.

The first section talks a great deal about tax credits and changes in taxation. I'm wondering if you have a sense of the cumulative costs of these changes per budget year.

3:40 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

Sorry, you're referring to the changes that are set out in part 1 of the budget implementation act. In the actual budget materials at the start of the supplementaries, there's an outline of the cost of the various measures. If you'd like, I can just mention them.

In terms of the measures that are in part 1 of Bill C-38, the measure with respect to RDSP plan holders will be approximately $1 million. The cost with respect to the mineral exploration tax credit for flow-through share investors would be $130 million for the year in which there is the expansion.

Really, those are the only major costs that are outlined in the budget materials for the particular budget measures that are included in this budget implementation act.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

For other measures that just continue, there's no changes. So, for example, I'm thinking about oil and gas exploration. There's no change to the taxation of that particular area.

3:40 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

The budget does have some measures that potentially impact the oil and gas sector; however, they are not included in this budget implementation act.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

What would those additional measures be?

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Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

The budget has one measure with respect to the Atlantic investment tax credit and whether oil and gas and mining activities are eligible for that tax credit. The eligibility for that particular tax credit is proposed in the budget to be phased out.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

But otherwise, would the $1 billion or so tax subsidies continue to the oil and gas sector?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

I'm not familiar with what particular subsidies or amounts you are referring to.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Okay, I'm just looking at the overall cost. I'm just looking at what the overall impact of tax subsidies and deferrals are on the budget. But under part 1, as the witness has explained, it's about $130 million. So thank you.

I have another question, moving on to a completely different subject, about the Governor General. I'm wondering why other forms of income, such as investment income, earned by the Governor General are not included in the definition of “taxable income” for income tax purposes.

3:45 p.m.

Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Sean Keenan

The Income Tax Act currently only exempts income from the Office of the Governor General. Therefore any of his other income, personal income from pensions or investments, is not exempt from tax. So he already pays tax on whatever other types of income he has.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

So investment income, that kind of thing, is taxed not through his office but through other tax measures.

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Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Sean Keenan

That's the taxes in his hands as an individual.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Lastly, on the increase in salary for the Governor General, I'm just wondering why the increase of $100,000 for 2013 and subsequent years. What's the rationale for that, when the government is cutting back in many other areas?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Sean Keenan

The salary for 2013 is set such that his net compensation from the Office of the Governor General remains unchanged. So currently he receives a salary that is not taxed, and then as a result of this bill he would receive a higher salary that would be taxable. And we estimated that because he would pay a certain amount of tax on that income, his salary should be set at the level in the bill, such that his net compensation is unchanged.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

So there's no austerity for the Governor General.

Okay, thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

We'll go to Mr. Adler, please.