Evidence of meeting #16 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was facility.

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William Cranmer  Chief, 'Namgis First Nation
Eric Hobson  President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order.

I'd like to take a moment to thank our guests for joining us today by video conference.

I'm sure you've been made aware by the clerk of how we proceed, and I believe you plan to do a joint presentation today. You have 15 minutes to make your presentation.

Members here have time constraints for questions and answers, so I apologize ahead of time if I interrupt you at some point in time. It's in the interests of allowing as many questions as possible and allowing for all members to get their questions in.

I'd like to welcome, from the 'Namgis first nation, Chief William Cranmer, and from SOS Marine Conservation Foundation, Eric Hobson, the president.

I'll turn it over to you now, gentlemen, to make your presentation. Once again, on behalf of the committee, thank you for joining us here today.

3:35 p.m.

Chief William Cranmer Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Gilakasla.

That means greetings and thank you in our language, Kwa’kwala.

I want to thank you, Chairman, and committee members, for undertaking this important study on closed containment and for the invitation to present to you today.

On behalf of the 'Namgis First Nation, I am here to speak about the K'udas closed containment project. I am Chief Bill Cranmer of the 'Namgis First Nation. I'm here with Eric Hobson, president of the SOS Marine Conservation Foundation. The 'Namgis First Nation and the SOS have a unique partnership that is instrumental in bringing about the K'udas project.

The 'Namgis First Nation is located on the northeastern end of Vancouver Island. We number about 1,700. Our language is Kwa'kwala, and the name of the project, K'udas, means “place of the salmon”.

The 'Namgis are an economically enterprising nation. We are partners in an $80-million aggregate quarry with Polaris Minerals and a $200-million 41.5-megawatt run-of-the-river project with Brookfield Renewable Power, and are full owners of forestry and fisheries companies.

The 'Namgis have also successfully managed the Gwa’ni hatchery on the Nimpkish River under contract with DFO since 1991.

The K'udas closed containment project fits with both our economic development plan and our desire to reduce impacts to the wild salmon. Fishing for food and fishing for a living have been at the core of the 'Namgis culture and economy for thousands of years. We recognize that salmon aquaculture provides jobs in B.C., but for the 'Namgis, the impacts of the current practice of open net-pen salmon farming on the marine environment are very real.

In our traditional territories we experienced first-hand the consequences of how the industry is regulated, the siting of farms, and the densities that are allowed. We see how open net farming practices continue to have a negative impact on our wild salmon and our clam beds. This has led to the desire to find an alternative to open net salmon farming.

The K'udas closed containment pilot project is land-based and is completely separated from the marine environment. The project will protect the marine environment and allow for continued local economic benefit. It is 100% owned and controlled by the 'Namgis and is located on 'Namgis reserve lands.

The project will create expertise and stable jobs for the 'Namgis First Nation in recirculating aquaculture systems operation, maintenance, and fish husbandry. It is expected that the project will also result in other spin-off businesses, thus providing further employment opportunities for 'Namgis.

The goal of the project is to demonstrate the technical, biological, and economic feasibility of closed containment. We believe this work will shape a new commercial industry that will provide significant economic opportunity for the 'Namgis First Nation and other coastal first nations. We believe it will also stimulate the development of a new engineering and manufacturing industry.

The desire to achieve these goals is shared with the SOS Marine Conservation Foundation. As a result, we have signed an MOU with SOS. As a partner, SOS is providing business, engineering, and legal expertise, as well as financial support.

In addition to SOS, this project is being made possible by a committed group providing financial and advisory support. These supporters include the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, Sustainable Development and Technology Canada, the Province of British Columbia, Aboriginal Business Canada, and Tides Canada's salmon aquaculture innovation fund.

Eric Hobson has contributed a significant amount of his time to the K'udas project, and as an engineer he is involved in the detailed design. It is now my pleasure to pass the microphone to Mr. Hobson, president of SOS Marine Conservation Foundation.

3:35 p.m.

Eric Hobson President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Thank you, Bill.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members, for the opportunity to speak today.

My name is Eric Hobson. I am the president of the SOS Marine Conservation Foundation. I hold a bachelor's degree in engineering from Carleton University. I actually grew up in Ottawa. I am a co-founder of Northridge Petroleum Marketing, which was sold to TransCanada Corporation, and MetroNet Communications, which ultimately merged with AT&T Canada. I am a founding shareholder of over 50 companies.

My success in business has allowed me to establish the SOS Foundation. For the record, I have no financial interest in the aquaculture industry, in the development of closed containment, or in the K’udas project.

SOS is a charitable foundation with a solutions- and business-oriented approach to marine conservation challenges. SOS is organized around its solutions advisory committee, a broad coalition of business leaders, entrepreneurs, engineers, financial and legal professionals, and philanthropists. We work collaboratively with scientists, first nations, salmon farmers, and environmental groups.

SOS is a strategic partner in the project, since our goals are aligned with those of the 'Namgis. We aim to protect B.C.’s wild salmon stocks, and all that depends on them, and to establish B.C. as a leader in creating a globally renowned, stable, and viable aquaculture industry.

SOS also had the opportunity to present to this committee in May 2010. At that time, we provided the SOS solutions strategy to the negative impacts caused by open net-pen salmon farms. Those solutions included better management and the re-siting of the most poorly located farms, tighter regulations and licensing conditions, and development of closed containment technology. SOS has also provided these solutions, both orally and in writing, to Justice Cohen as part of the Cohen commission process.

The K’udas closed containment project is a commercial pilot facility located on 'Namgis First Nation territory near Port McNeill on Vancouver Island.

If you turn to figure 1 in your briefing notes, you'll see a map of where the projected is located. It's on the north island.

Another figure in our briefing paper you might look at is the site map, which is figure 4. The project will demonstrate the commercial viability of producing Atlantic salmon for table food in a land-based, closed-containment recirculating aquaculture system, which you know by now is called a “RAS” system. By eliminating interactions with the marine environment, RAS provides an opportunity to address growing public demand to isolate salmon farming from the sensitive marine environment.

Concerns regarding open net cages include the discharge of waste and pollutants, escape of non-indigenous fish species, transfer of disease from farmed salmon to wild salmon, and transfer of sea lice to wild salmon from farmed salmon. RAS technology is currently used in Atlantic salmon hatcheries and for food production of other species. This project is designed to investigate the technical, biological, and economic feasibility of using RAS technology to produce Atlantic salmon for food production at commercial-scale densities. To support the development of a viable industry, higher capital costs must be offset by improved production efficiency and lower production costs.

The project will operate a single commercial-sized RAS module for three cohorts of fish production each year. Through this process, it will refine the design to provide greater production efficiency, confirm operational costs, and quantify environmental improvements. The data collected will enable the optimal design of a full-scale commercial facility. The pilot module will become part of a larger commercial farm.

If you look at the site map, you can see the location of the pilot facility on the site that's been selected. There is an opportunity to expand the farm to the north. Probably four more modules would fit into that area.

If you flip in your briefing document to figures 2 and 3, I want to talk briefly about the process we're going to use. Figure 2 is a picture of the RAS research facility that exists at the Freshwater Institute in West Virginia, which I understand the committee is going to visit early next year. That tank is quite large but the tanks in this facility will actually be 50 feet in diameter and 11 feet deep.

The way the facility works is that groundwater is drawn in from a 75-foot depth. If you look at figure 3, you'll be able to see the flow. Disease-free smolts are brought into the facility. They're put in an isolation area in the facility and kept for four months, and then they're moved into the main grow-out facility. There's also a schematic in your handout, figure 5.

Then the fish are harvested. They grow in the farm for 12 months. They're harvested and taken to one of four local processing plants in the north island. There's about a 7% mortality rate; 3.5% is natural mortality and the other 3.5% are culled fish that aren't growing quickly enough. Those morts are taken to a local compost facility called Sea Soil, which is near the farm site. The solid waste is put into a septic system and de-watered and moved once a week to the compost facility also at Sea Soil. If they're in the commercial size we're going to investigate using anaerobic digestion to produce gas and perhaps electricity on site, using that fish waste.

The dissolved solids water stream that comes out of the farm.... I have to back up a bit to say that the water is in the farm for five days. So 20% of the water each day is replenished with new groundwater. It's a recirculated system. The liquid waste, which has some dissolved solids, goes to an infiltration basin where it moves into the ground. This particular location is about one and a half kilometres from the ocean. There aren't any pathogens, apparently, that can live in the ground for that length of time. We will also be investigating whether that stream can be used for aquaponics production to grow plants and vegetables.

It's a covered bio-secure facility. It has five grow-out tanks plus a smolt quarantine and pre-harvest depuration tanks. As I said, 80% of the water is recirculated each day. Groundwater is disinfected on entry. The groundwater in that area is slightly saline, about seven parts per thousand. We heat it up to 15 degrees centigrade.

Three cohorts of Atlantic salmon smolts will be raised each year, grown for a total production of 260 metric tonnes per year at 50 kilograms per cubic metre capacity. This could increase, depending on optimum density, to 390 tonnes per year at 75 kilograms per cubic metre capacity. If you look at the cover page of your briefing notes, that's a picture of Atlantic salmon in the Freshwater Institute in West Virginia at 80 kilograms per cubic metre. So the density in this farm will be similar to that density once the fish are at full size.

The full grow-out to six kilograms will take 12 to 15 months, compared to 24 months in open net-pens. No antibiotics or pesticides will be used. Harvest size of three to six kilograms will allow for maximum use of capacity and continuous production.

Smolts will be Canadian and certified disease free, will be held in quarantine for four months, and will be on their own biofilter. Solid waste and dead fish, as I said, will go to the composting facility. Liquid waste will go into the infiltration basin.

The capital cost of the RAS and civil engineering and construction is about $7 million. Four staff will be employed 24-7 per week. The first harvest is planned to be in September 2013.

The project has some objectives. The first is to confirm the biological, technical, and potential economic viability of raising salmon to market size in a land-based recirculating aquaculture system. We're going to validate the operating costs and production parameters for the design of the commercial-size facility, confirm the growth efficiency of Atlantic salmon reared in this kind of a system, test the overall operating efficiency as well as the market premiums available for environmentally friendly RAS-raised salmon, and assess the actual environmental impacts.

The goal of the project is to make a positive environmental difference. Therefore, there will be environmental monitoring beyond what is required for the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency screening and DFO-issued aquaculture licence. We have an independent environmental monitoring plan, which will be carried out by the Pacific Salmon Foundation. We also have a pathogen management plan, a construction environmental management plan, a fish health management plan, and a groundwater monitoring program.

To further catalyze positive change, we are committed to disseminating the information through reporting on performance metrics and participating in aquaculture innovation workshops.

The project is important because it will prove the technical, biological, and economic feasibility of the RAS technology for food fish production, which of course will eliminate environmental impacts, biosecurity threats, and other negative impacts associated with open net-pen salmon farms. It will avoid the controversy and negative public opinion currently associated with open net pens; control environmental variables; and enhance feed conversion, salmon grow-out time and harvesting. It will revolutionize the salmon farming industry, facilitate the expansion of a salmon farming industry in B.C., and create a more valuable and sought-after green salmon product with improved product attributes such as flesh quality and shelf life, thereby supporting industry sustainability.

I would also like to acknowledge the great importance to the project of the early feasibility and design funding. We were fortunate to receive such funding from DFO's aquaculture innovation and market access program, B.C.’s Investment Agriculture Foundation, Aboriginal Business Canada, and Tides Canada.

I would ask the committee to recommend the development of a transparent and accountable regulatory regime for the open net-pen industry that addresses farm siting and density issues and requires the industry to bear the full costs of open net-pen production methods, including monitoring of impacts on the marine environment. This would level the playing field for new technology.

This project will serve as a catalyst for the development and growth of a new land-based salmon farming industry in B.C. It will enable the existing salmon aquaculture business and related design, supply, and manufacturing industries to expand and take advantage of a growing global market for sustainable seafood.

Bill.

3:50 p.m.

Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Chief William Cranmer

Mr. Chairman, thank you for undertaking this important study.

Our vision is that this project will help to create a land-based closed containment industry in British Columbia that benefits other first nations and our neighbouring communities and industry participants, as well as benefit the environment.

I look forward to inviting you all to come to a barbecue feast in 2013 to celebrate our first harvest from the K’udas project.

Gilakasla. Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

We're going to move right into questions at this time.

We'll start off with Mr. Leef.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to our guests.

It certainly sounds like you're fairly confident in the results that you'll see by, I'm assuming, 2013. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in that.

I have a question going back to a 2001 article that I have here. It was around open net salmon fry having an infestation of sea lice. With the date of that article being so long ago, I'm wondering if you have any further information. The projection at the time was that an estimated 400 million salmon fry would likely die from that infestation. Then there were some comments that the fish farm industry has desecrated the territory in the marine environment.

Did that actually occur then? I mean, now we have hindsight to look back on it; do you know if we lost 400 million wild salmon fry that year because of the sea lice infestation?

3:55 p.m.

Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Chief William Cranmer

It was estimated at that time that 80% to 90% of those salmon fry would die. Of course you know there are millions of fry that go out into the ocean, and a certain percentage of them would come in. If you kill off millions of the fry before they even have a chance to go out into the ocean, their returns are going to be very, very small. It's an ongoing problem. The sea lice are still attacking the small fry.

We go out to the archipelago and we see the small salmon fry that are only about two inches long with sea lice on them. It's a problem. We had a scientist from Scotland come in years ago and say that historically sea lice lived out in the ocean. Now they live in the inside waters year-round.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Fair enough. I'm wondering, though, in terms of salmon return I've heard that some of the salmon returns in B.C. have been record numbers. I'm wondering if that's translating to all regions of British Columbia or if it's specific areas. I know the estimation was that many would die, but I guess if we're seeing record returns that's not quite translating the same.

I'm wondering if that's accurate or if you could comment on the return numbers.

3:55 p.m.

Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Chief William Cranmer

We know in the archipelago, where there are about 26 fish farms with a billion or so fish in each farm, the return to the rivers of the archipelago to mainland inlets is very, very low. I think there's only one salmon run. It was in the Glendale Cove, which has a spawning channel for the pink salmon. That's the only run, and it's not even staying level; it's lower than it should be.

There are some runs that have apparently died off. I know in the Nimpkish River, one chum run never returned. That run is lost forever. We attribute that to a processing facility that was in Beaver Cove, which is in the particular area of the Nimpkish River. That facility has since been closed.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Chief William Cranmer

I guess it boils down to the fact that there aren't enough studies being done, especially by DFO.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Okay. Thank you for that.

Mr. Hobson, I have a quick question. When you were going through the flow chart and the mortality loss rate, you mentioned it was 7%, and then you said 3% were culled. The 3% that was culled wasn't a viable crop, I guess. For clarification, I'm wondering whether that was part of the 7%--or was that additional?

3:55 p.m.

President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Eric Hobson

No, that's part of the 7%. About half die of natural causes and the other half are culled.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Okay, great. Thanks.

Sir, there is a point in your presentation where you point out that the capital cost for the RAS and civil engineering is about $7 million, and four staff will provide 24-7 coverage.

We heard some evidence last week that it would take upwards of ten staff to run a closed containment facility. You're proposing four. I'm just wondering about the disparity. Is four sufficient for a closed containment facility?

3:55 p.m.

President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Eric Hobson

Apparently it is. We're just in the process of hiring an operations manager to manage this farm. He runs a RAS turbot facility in Ireland currently. He's looked at the personnel plan, and he thinks four is sufficient.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

In comparison, what does an average open net facility require for staff?

3:55 p.m.

President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Eric Hobson

Normally there are two staff per shift, but often, I understand, there's one person per shift per farm.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Okay. And a shift would be 12 hours. Is that how they're running those?

4 p.m.

President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Eric Hobson

It would probably be 12 hours.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

That's not counting divers and other supplemental staff? That's just operators?

4 p.m.

President, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Eric Hobson

Right: that would just be people who are actually on the facility.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Okay.

There's a point here that says you're hoping to find solutions that include better management and the re-siting of the most poorly located farms.

Could you maybe give us an indication or how many would fit the category of “poorly located farms”? What are the characteristics that define a poorly located farm?

4 p.m.

Chief, 'Namgis First Nation

Chief William Cranmer

It's interesting; when the farms were first being brought in, the Province of British Columbia asked us for input into where these farms should be located. We had input from clam diggers. We had input from commercial fishermen and from local people. We identified only one spot in the archipelago that could fit in a properly sited farm.

They put all these farms in herring spawn areas. They put them close to shellfish beaches, which they shouldn't have, and they put them close to rivers where the salmon migrate from.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much.

Mr. Donnelly.

4 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to thank our guests, Chief Cranmer and Mr. Hobson, for joining us today. I appreciate you providing your testimony to the committee.

Chief Cranmer, I believe the 'Namgis First Nation has long been opposed to open net fish farms. Can you explain to the committee why you're so opposed to open net fish farms and how you believe closed containment aquaculture systems can address the concerns you have? Also, could you explain why you believe first nations in B.C. are interested in closed containment technology?