Evidence of meeting #22 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), we are considering the main estimates for 2014-15, under Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, as well as under the International Development Research Centre and the International Joint Commission, Canadian section. We will have our witnesses give us their testimony.

We'll welcome the Honourable John Baird, Minister of Foreign Affairs. Welcome, sir. We're glad to have you here.

We also have the Honourable Christian Paradis, Minister of International Development. Welcome, sir. I'm glad you could be here as well.

We have the Honourable Lynne Yelich, Minister of State for Foreign Affairs. Welcome, Ms. Yelich.

Also as witnesses from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have Paul Rochon, who is the deputy minister of international development. Welcome, sir. Glad to have you here. We also have Peter Boehm, who is the associate deputy minister of foreign affairs. Welcome. We have Nadir Patel, who is the assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer. Thank you, sir, for being here as well.

I will turn the floor over to Minister Baird.

We'll start with your opening testimony and go from there.

April 9th, 2014 / 3:30 p.m.

Ottawa West—Nepean Ontario

Conservative

John Baird ConservativeMinister of Foreign Affairs

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and honourable committee members.

I welcome the opportunity to speak with you again about the international priorities of our government and how the work of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development advances those objectives.

I'm keen to provide as much time as possible for your questions, so I'll keep my opening remarks brief and focus on some of the top issues in Foreign Affairs.

Since I last appeared before you, in November, foreign affairs issues have remained significant. A major challenge over the past few months has, of course, been the crisis in Ukraine.

I am proud of the Canadian response to that crisis—the response of Canadians, Parliament and our government.

We are united in our commitment toward a free and democratic Ukraine. The proudly raised Ukrainian flag in front of Parliament is evidence of that.

Canada has been at the forefront, together with our G-7 partners, the European Union, and others in condemning the invasion and annexation of Crimea. The so-called referendum was a complete sham carried out in the intimidating presence of some 20,000 Russian troops. We can never accept ethnic national justification for invading a peaceful, democratic neighbour.

We have coordinated sanctions with our allies, and through the IMF and bilaterally, we are marshalling badly needed resources to support the Ukrainian government, including $220 million from Canada. My department and I have been and will continue to be very focused on our response to this emerging situation.

A few weeks ago I accompanied Prime Minister Harper to Kiev in what was a very clear demonstration of Canada's unwavering solidarity with the new government and the people of Ukraine. The Prime Minister marked the end of his time there by laying flowers as a symbol of Canada's respect for those who died while standing up for democratic change.

The difficult journey that Ukraine has been on is a reminder of the considerable time, effort, and sacrifice that it takes to build societies in which there's respect for freedom, democracy, human rights, and the rule of law.

In reflecting on that, I think we should take a moment to recognize that the last Canadian soldiers from our mission to Afghanistan have recently come home. This has been the longest active military engagement in Canadian history. More than 2,000 of our finest men and women in uniform were wounded, and 158 paid the ultimate price, as did Canadians in the fields of diplomacy, humanitarian affairs, and journalism.

Just recently, a cowardly terrorist attack at the Kabul Serena Hotel took the lives of nine people, including two Canadian citizens. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those we lost.

There's no finer repudiation of tyranny or affirmation of democracy than the bravery we saw from Afghans last weekend. It was encouraging to see them make their voices heard at the polls in such high numbers, especially an unprecedented number of women. I'd like to single out and pay tribute to the phenomenal work of our entire Canadian team led by Ambassador Deborah Lyons in championing this vital cause throughout the election process. The role of women in building a new democracy, and building civil society, in ensuring a country that is peaceful is tremendously important and one which the government has championed for a good number of years. While Afghanistan clearly has a long way to go, I believe Canadians have made a real and tangible difference in improving the lives of millions of Afghans. We should be very proud of that.

Elsewhere in the world, Canada continues to take principled positions in promoting our values and a forward-leaning posture in advancing our interests. We continue to bang the drum for Canadian jobs and business, most recently with the Canada-Korea Free Trade Agreement, another achievement for my colleague the Hon. Ed Fast. This is our first FTA in the Asia-Pacific region, and is an example of how Canada continues to broaden its horizons.

Over the past year, my commitments have taken me to Asia, Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, Europe, and across North America. We recognize the world as it is and will be, rather than as it was. That also means not solely relying on the traditional institutions and levers of diplomacy, but also embracing new and innovative tools for advocacy.

This is a fast-paced global environment network and we have to be agile and coordinated. The enlarged mandate of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development is helping us do that, and we can see this integrated approach very clearly in the updated 2014-15 priorities for DFATD.

Thank you very much.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Minister Baird.

We'll now turn the floor over to Minister Paradis, please.

3:35 p.m.

Mégantic—L'Érable Québec

Conservative

Christian Paradis ConservativeMinister of International Development and Minister for La Francophonie

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Chair, ladies and gentlemen, members of the committee, thank you for inviting me today.

I will be making my remarks in both official languages.

I want to begin by recognizing those Canadians who have lost their lives working abroad. Those men and women embody the best of Canadian values.

They risked their lives to help strangers in need, in some of the most difficult conditions, and they paid the ultimate price. We send our thoughts and prayers to their loved ones. We will honour their sacrifice by ensuring Canada remains a world leader in humanitarian aid and international development.

Canada's development programs save lives. It's as simple as that. As Minister of International Development, my main priority is poverty alleviation, but if we are to achieve that goal, we need to be innovative. We need to look to new solutions and new partners, and promoting the involvement of the private sector in development is a big part of that.

Ending extreme poverty and promoting global prosperity are two sides of the same coin. Creating sustainable economic growth is our most effective tool for eradicating poverty around the world. We remain focused on the same goals, but our approach is adapting to the changing needs. I've spoken to heads of states on three continents and they all tell me the same thing: they don't want aid; they want trade.

Canada is recognized as a world leader in many areas, such as agriculture, telecommunications and responsible resource development. Canadian companies have immense expertise to offer the world. A lot of good can come from their involvement in development.

We are also broadening our relationships with civil society organizations, which are our crucial partners in development. His Highness the Aga Khan put it very well when he spoke to the House of Commons:

An active civil society can open the door for an enormous variety of energies and talents from a broad spectrum of organizations and individuals. It means opening the way for diversity. It means welcoming plurality.

In addition to the long-term programs it funds, Canada remains at the forefront of humanitarian responses. We were there in Haiti and the Sahel, and we are currently a leading donor in Syria, the Philippines and the Central African Republic. This is not going to change. There will always be a need for immediate disaster response.

Successful long-term development can help build resilience and lift people out of poverty.

It was the relentless focus on delivering results for those most in need that drove the Prime Minister to launch the Muskoka initiative in 2010. Maternal and child health is Canada's leading development priority. Before the Prime Minister drew the world's attention to this crucial issue, we were falling short on reducing child mortality and curbing maternal deaths, and thanks to the Muskoka initiative and subsequent global action, maternal mortality rates are declining and millions more children are celebrating their fifth birthdays.

Our common goal has not yet been reached, but it is within arm's reach. Together we can eliminate preventable deaths among women, children and newborns, and we can save millions of lives that hang in the balance.

Canada also saves lives by contributing to high-performing global initiatives, like the Global Fund for Aids, Tuberculosis and Malaria. With Canada's help, the global fund is saving more than 100,000 lives every month.

Mr. Chair, it was just over a year ago that the amalgamation of the Canadian International Development Agency and the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade was announced. The goal of the amalgamation was to enhance coherence and alignment between Canada's trade, diplomacy, and development activities. The department is delivering on its new, redefined mandate, and development plays a central role in that.

There is no better example of coordinated action than Canada's response to Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines. The Canadian response was quick and efficient, and it utilized all of Canada's resources.

As noted by Mark Kane of Save the Children U.K.:

...it was brilliant that the Canadians came to provide critical assistance. In such situations it is about mobilizing resources quickly to make sure that everyone who is suffering can be reached, and that is what Canada did. It was important that they were willing to work away from the headlines. They made a huge contribution.

The situation in Syria, though a man-made and not natural crisis, is another example of Canada's coordinated response.

Three years ago, the Assad regime responded to peaceful demonstrations with obscene and brutal repression. Today, the situation has deteriorated into a major humanitarian crisis, which has been made worse by the regime's wilful denial of assistance to populations in need and its deliberate targeting of humanitarian workers.

In total, Canada has contributed more than $630 million in humanitarian and development assistance to Syria. It has spent millions more to help the surrounding regions cope with the huge influx of Syrian refugees.

While completely different, the Philippine and Syrian examples demonstrate how Canada contributes to complex efforts. Our work in this area has been exemplary, and our government and Canadians are proud of our contributions.

Mr. Chair, I want to emphasize also that the department manages and disburses funds with the utmost diligence and efficiency. Our government's commitment to helping people who live in poverty and to responding to humanitarian crises remains strong. Canada is recognized around the world for paying what we pledge, and we encourage all nations to do the same. Canada met all of its international development commitments for the year, and I have made clear to the department that I expect Canada to meet all of its commitments for this year as well.

Thanks for your time.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Minister.

I'll turn it over to Minister Yelich for the final opening statement.

3:40 p.m.

Blackstrap Saskatchewan

Conservative

Lynne Yelich ConservativeMinister of State (Foreign Affairs and Consular)

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is a pleasure to join Minister Baird and Minister Paradis today to provide an update to the committee as Canada's Minister of State for Foreign Affairs and Consular.

We've already heard from both ministers that our government is actively pursuing Canada's interests in a dynamic global environment. I'm honoured that my role as Minister of State allows me to support these global priorities.

There's no sector in Canada and no community that is untouched by the shifting international landscape. Like many of you, I represent and serve my constituents. Whether in farming, in the extractive industry and services, or in the small business sector, my constituents of Blackstrap, Saskatchewan directly contribute to the supply of Canadian products to foreign markets in today's global economy. That is why Canadians expect our policies and engagement to advance their commercial interests at home and abroad.

In this regard, it has been humbling to support Minister Fast and Minister Paradis by advancing Canada's trade and development initiatives through the promotion of Canadian exports, profiling Canadian investment opportunities, and supporting sustainable international efforts that help people living in poverty in much of the developing world. Not only are our efforts creating vital jobs here at home, but they're also lifting vulnerable communities from poverty abroad.

It's also been a privilege to support Minister Baird by advancing his priorities on human rights, religious freedoms, and strengthening the global response for issues relating to women and girls. In my work, I have been particularly touched to represent Canada on the global stage on child early and forced marriage. After seeing alarming statistics that show that every hour over 1,100 children and girls are forced into marriage, I understand why our minister is so passionate about this issue.

As minister for consular affairs, some may say I have the most interesting job in government. First let me highlight that Canadians are a travelling bunch. Last year alone, Canadians took over 61 million trips. The increase in travel to countries where the local laws and customs are much different from what we are used to here in Canada poses significant challenges when Canadians find themselves in distress. To respond to this demand, our Prime Minister created the first ever minister for consular affairs.

The creation of my role demonstrates the importance that our government places on assisting Canadians when they choose to leave our borders. It's extremely important that before going anywhere, Canadians read up on the country they are visiting. Through travel.gc.ca and our social media platforms, we provide timely advice on everything needed to make smart travel choices. For example, during the Sochi games, we ensured that Canadians travelling to cheer on our athletes were well aware of the laws and customs, as well as concerns on security.

We also provide guidance on important issues that Canadians seem to forget in the excitement of a well-deserved vacation. For example, we've been emphasizing the importance of obtaining travel insurance before they travel. It is amazing how many Canadians don't think they need travel insurance, and when they get sick are unpleasantly surprised when they are hit with a hefty medical bill. Travel.gc.ca also contains important online publications that you can use to educate your constituents on safe travel.

We also have created the Travel Smart app, so Canadians can access important travel information on the go, and we have simplified our registration of Canadians abroad system. That system allows Canadians to register with us so that we can reach them in case of emergency. I cannot begin to stress how important it is to encourage your constituents to continue to register. To give you a recent example, the registration system was instrumental in ensuring that no Canadians were affected as a result of the recent earthquake in Chile.

While most trips go off without a hitch, when Canadians find themselves in distress and need to reach us, Canadian consular officials are there to provide assistance 24 hours, seven days a week. Our government created the emergency watch and response centre, EWRC, to respond to the growing number of international crises and the request for consular assistance. The centre works, as I said, 24-7, assisting over 150 Canadian missions.

To assist the EWRC in December 2012, we created a standing rapid deployment team, a team of specially trained volunteers on stand-by, ready to assist in time of crisis. They are deployed to work alongside Canadian missions abroad. They help to provide critical services to Canadians during emergencies and often in dangerous situations.

There are limitations to the assistance that officials can provide, though. Consular officials can assist to replace personal documents. They can provide information on local lawyers. They can visit a Canadian who has been detained. They can advocate for well-being, if there are concerns, and they can speak with family here in Canada. However, Canadian consular officials cannot help you evade the local laws of another country, nor can they advocate for you in a court of law.

Finally, I am proud to reiterate our commitment to the cases involving children. To address the growing complexity of cases, I launched our vulnerable children's consular unit with Minister MacKay last fall. Through an increase in regionally specialized case officers and enhanced policy analysts, we are better equipped to address and resolve the issues relating to Canadian children abroad.

Because of the sensitivities and complexities of most of our cases, as well as the need to protect the individuals concerned, the Privacy Act limits how much information we can say publicly on a certain case. Canadians need to educate themselves. They need to educate themselves using good common sense and they need to use that common sense when they're travelling.

All information on what we like to call the three Rs of travel, read up, register, and reach us, can be found on travel.gc.ca. It is Canada's one-stop shop for everything Canadians need to know before leaving our borders.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Minister.

With the first round of questions, we have seven minutes for each. We're going to start with Mr. Dewar from the NDP.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you to our guests, our ministers, for their time today.

Minister Baird, I want to start with you.

For almost a year, I guess, I've been asking about the replacement of the global peace and security fund. Each time I've asked you questions about it.... First of all you told me that there are asterisks in the estimates because it's a work in progress, that you're looking at reformulating the fund. As you know, it's extremely important for our foreign policy. It's actually a cornerstone for many of the issues you mentioned in your preamble.

Here is a very simple question. Can you tell us what stage this is at? When will you be actually announcing what you said you were going to announce earlier regarding the replacement of the global peace and security fund?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Thank you very much for the question.

The work that program does is important. We have retained the same envelope. I don't know whether it has always been in estimates or partly in supplementary estimates. We are looking at trying to improve it and redesign it to make it even better. That process has taken longer than I expected. Nonetheless, the program resources and the existing program continue to exist and will continue to be funded until we introduce a new program. It has taken longer than I expected.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I'm concerned about that. It's not the first time I've asked you, as you know.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

But the good news is that the existing program is still functioning well.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Well, it's fine, but it's not really there, if you will. It's there in your commitment, and I'll—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

But we are making grants and contributions. I want to assure you that we are making—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I know, but it's.... Well, we'll get to that piece in a second, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's an issue we're concerned about as well.

But I'm not hearing that there are consultations on this that anyone can point to. I'm hearing you say to me, a couple of times now, “We're working on it.” That's good, but I'd like some definite timelines as to when we can see results, because as you know, our terrific people who work for you need to know where things are going for our partners. This is what is particularly important, for people who are aware of this fund and the good work it has done, they need some understanding that there's going to be something coming.

Can you give us any timeline on this?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I want to reiterate that we have continued to make a significant number of grants under the existing fund. None of this is annualized funding, so there are no groups that should be worried about losing funding, because they're done on a project basis. It's not annualized.

I don't have a timeline to give you, but I appreciate your comment about its having taken longer than I think any one of us would have liked.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I think that people need to hear from you as to what those consultations are about and where you are going with them, because that's what I'm concerned about. If you want to replace—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Those are your words, not mine.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

They are, and my words are that questions abound, because we're not hearing anything, while you keep on saying that it's coming, it's coming.

Let me turn to the—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

And that's a fair criticism.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Yes. Thank you. That's why I made it.

In terms of the numbers—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

You're fair and reasonable. What can I say?

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I always try, John.

It is the details for the most recent fiscal year estimates that we're focused on here. We have on record the public accounts 2013 for DFAIT. We have total budgetary authorities for DFAIT of $2.9 billion and—we've talked about this before—the total spent was $2.4 billion. That's a lapse of 16%.

Minister Baird, I know what you're going to say. You're going to tell me, “I don't wake up every day, Mr. Dewar, to figure out how I can spend your money.”

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

You listen.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

That was last time.

I want you to understand. My dad was a public servant, and he took direction from his political masters. His first job actually was before World War II, over in East Block. He worked for the Department of External Affairs and then he worked for customs and excise. He always knew that his political masters were the ones who went to Parliament, who got the appropriations so that he could deliver and do the job for Canadians.

Here's the problem, Minister Baird. This isn't about waking up every morning and figuring out how you can spend money; this is about your administering the money that Canadians have actually given you to invest. And I'm sorry, but the answer that you don't get up every morning thinking about how you can spend more is not going to work this time.

Please. It's about why you are not even able to actually invest the money, which you have cut back on, by the way, in terms of your envelope, that Canadians, through Parliament, have appropriated to you, which you're suppose to be able to delegate to the wonderful people who work for you.

What is going on, Minister Baird?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I'm disappointed that you don't share my frugality.