Evidence of meeting #3 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nadir Patel  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Sabine Nolke  Director General, Non-Proliferation and Security Threat Reduction Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Charles Lamarre  Director General of Operations, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence
Christopher Ram  Legal Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), we are considering the supplementary estimates (B) 2013-14. We are going to welcome our ministers here today.

Minister Baird, thank you for taking the time to be here. We've also got Minister Paradis and Minister Yelich here.

We'll start shortly with Minister Baird's testimony, but I also want to welcome our other witnesses from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development.

We've got Daniel Jean, the deputy minister of Foreign Affairs. Welcome today. I'm glad to have you here as well.

We've also got Paul Rochon, the deputy minister of International Development. Welcome, sir. I'm glad to have you here.

We also have Nadir Patel, who has been with us before. He is the assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer. Welcome back. Thank you for also being here.

Minister Baird, I am going to turn the floor over to you. I know that each of you has an opening statement. You've been here before and know how it works, so we'll start with your testimony. Then we'll move over to Minister Paradis and Minister Yelich, and then we'll start with questions.

We'll turn the floor over to you, sir.

3:30 p.m.

Ottawa West—Nepean Ontario

Conservative

John Baird ConservativeMinister of Foreign Affairs

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and committee members.

The new Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development has been set up at a time of rapid change on the world stage in terms of economic and political powers. Canadian interests are truly global in nature and our government is actively standing up for them on an ongoing basis on every continent.

I welcome your questions today, but first I would like to point out a few of the challenges facing us and our approach to dealing with them.

One of the most urgent challenges, of course, is the terrible violence that we are seeing in Syria. The people of Canada have been very generous in helping those most in need, and we join other nations around the world in seeking a political solution to this conflict. I continue to be in close contact with our allies on the issue, and I note recent progress, however small, on getting both sides to the table under the Geneva II process. Both the political solution and, more importantly, the humanitarian effort will continue to be a focus of our department moving forward.

Neighbouring Syria, we also see some progress in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I have been in close contact with my Israeli and Palestinian counterparts, as well as with U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry, on this issue. I've also had dealings in recent days with Martin Indyk, his ambassador and special representative for the negotiations.

Canada has been generous in our support of a future Palestinian state. We want to see a secure, prosperous, and future Palestinian state, one that lives side by side with its Jewish neighbour. Just a few months back we announced $5 million in support for increased economic opportunities in the West Bank. This came out of an initiative that John Kerry had launched with $100 million in a short-term stimulus for the West Bank economy. In my talks with my colleague, Tony Blair, the Quartet Representative, he made clear that Canada's contributions were appreciated and Canada's voice in the region remained respected and strong.

Elsewhere in the region, Iran elected a new president this year, Hassan Rouhani. We note his change in tone, especially when it comes to Iran's nuclear ambitions. All of us who have long despaired about the Iranian regime want to believe that Iran is genuinely committed to positive change at home and in its foreign relations, but kind words, a smile, and a charm offensive are not a substitute for real action. Canada is determined to shed light on the human rights abuses in Iran and remind Iran of its international obligations.

We condemn abuses because doing so is a Canadian value. That is why we also denounce the forced marriage of young girls. Every year, 9.5 million girls, some of whom are only 8 or 9 years old, are forced into marriage. Forced marriage is essentially a form of violence against women.

The practice of early and forced marriage is abhorrent and indefensible. That's why Canada introduced the first ever stand-alone resolution on child, early, and forced marriage at the United Nations General Assembly. That is something that I think all Canadians can be proud of.

Some may wish to stir up old debates that have divided our country in the past, but this is not a partisan issue, it is a human issue. Our government wants Canada's voice to be heard, for it to be clear and for it to be unambiguously free of moral relativism, from the rights of women and girls to religious freedom, for which the Prime Minister was proud to launch the Office of Religious Freedom last year, to the decriminalization of homosexuality abroad. These aren't the values of conservatives, of social democrats, of liberals, of one province or another, but Canadian values that have been shaped by our national experience.

I spoke at the outset about the amalgamation of our department. It is taking place at a time of rapid change in the world. Canada must, more than ever, deploy its resources smartly and in common purpose. I am confident that the new department will bring a more integrated and effective approach to advancing Canadian values and Canadian interests. We must be ready to embrace change, to recognize these opportunities and to seize them as they arise.

All Canadians have a role to play, as do our parliamentarians. You will have an opportunity to make an invaluable contribution to this national effort, to this global fight.

For that, and the work of the committee, I want to thank all of you, in all parties. I look forward to hearing your comments and to taking your questions.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much, Mr. Baird.

We are now going to turn it over to Mr. Paradis.

November 19th, 2013 / 3:35 p.m.

Mégantic—L'Érable Québec

Conservative

Christian Paradis ConservativeMinister of International Development

Mr. Chair, I am pleased to be here today to discuss with committee members the proposed appropriations through Supplementary Estimates (B).

Before beginning however, I want to take a few moments to acknowledge the recent devastation seen in the Philippines and portions of Vietnam due to Typhoon Haiyan. We were all shocked and saddened by the tragedy. Like you, I am moved by the enormity of the devastation, and by the tragic loss of life. Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected.

This recent tragedy serves as an important reminder that our international assistance is a tangible expression of the best of Canadian values and Canadians themselves. Canada is a compassionate neighbour, and we stand ready to do more to help deal with this crisis.

The tragedy also serves to highlight the importance of the changes we are making at DFATD towards the increased coherence of our development, foreign affairs, and trade activities under one department. The legislation passed earlier this year has enshrined in law Canada's commitment to poverty reduction and humanitarian assistance.

First, however, I would like to talk about our main items under the supplementary estimates.

Funding of $100 million is being sought to allow for the permanent creation of a quick release mechanism to respond to major international natural disasters, humanitarian crises, and conflicts, so that Canada has the ability to respond quickly, and effectively to international crises, such as we just witnessed in the Philippines and Vietnam.

In addition, the department is seeking additional funding of $90 million for humanitarian assistance in response to the Syrian crisis. Canada's support will be used by experienced humanitarian organizations to provide life-saving humanitarian assistance. This builds on the more than $200 million Canada has committed to the crisis.

Canada continues to carefully monitor the situation in Syria.

The new amalgamated department is better placed than ever to ensure the effectiveness of Canada's international humanitarian assistance and development activities, and to ensure that our contributions are in line with Canadian values and priorities. In addition to the immediate impact of Canada's humanitarian assistance, our long-term development programming is improving the lives of poor people around the world. We are doing so by ensuring that our aid is focused, effective, and accountable.

As you already know, Canada has taken a leadership role in addressing the health challenges faced by women, newborns, and children in the world's poorest countries. Canada has been at the forefront of international efforts to improve accountability in maternal, newborn, and child health programming. Canada is prepared to do more in this area and will fulfill all of its commitment made under the 2010 Muskoka initiative.

Education is critical to achieving many other development goals. Educated girls marry later and have fewer children. They are also more likely to participate in the labour force, which has huge benefits for their families and communities.

With support from Canada and other donor countries, the Global Partnership for Education helped enrol 19 million more children in schools, supported the construction of more than 30,000 classrooms, and trained more than 337,000 teachers.

Health and education, while of critical importance, are only part of the equation. We support creation of the enabling environment that helps small and medium enterprises in the developing world become stronger and more competitive through better functioning government, less red tape, and more access to markets.

A great example of how the private sector can help in finding creative solutions to development challenges can be found in Mozambique. There, we are supporting an initiative to strengthen the vaccine supply chains by using Coca-Cola's refrigerated trucks. As the thinking goes, if Coca-Cola can be available in every corner of the world, medicine can too.

The department is also supporting the launch of a 15-year investment fund that leverages private equity investment of up to $400 million to help approximately 250 promising small and medium enterprises grow. This program will create at least 15,000 new jobs in developing countries and is being managed by the Mennonite Economic Development Associates and Sarona Asset Management.

Let me conclude. Our government is committed to reducing poverty and hardship in the developing world. Through our humanitarian assistance, we are responding to crises and achieving real results by saving lives and alleviating suffering.

Under an amalgamated department, we are ensuring that development plays a more important role than ever in achieving our foreign policy objectives, including security and economic prosperity, around the world.

I am proud of the work of our development officials—and especially want to congratulate them for their efforts during the most recent crisis brought upon by Typhoon Haiyan. I would also like to take a moment of the committee’s time to thank the individual Canadian citizens, Canadian NGOs, and Canadian companies who donated so selflessly to help.

Thank you again for this opportunity to appear before the committee, and I welcome your questions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Minister Paradis.

I'm now going to turn it over to Minister Yelich.

3:40 p.m.

Blackstrap Saskatchewan

Conservative

Lynne Yelich ConservativeMinister of State (Foreign Affairs and Consular)

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and members of the committee. I'm delighted to speak here at committee today for the first time as my role of Minister of State, Foreign Affairs, with specific responsibility for consular affairs. It's been a busy several months and fascinating experience to help to advance Canada's values and interests in the world, and I am proud to support the work of my colleagues, John Baird, Christian Paradis, and Ed Fast.

My interest and engagement in Canada's international relations are longstanding and I represent a riding where farming and mining are important economic activities and from which we supply our products to foreign markets. Saskatchewan's output, not just as potash, is integrated with the global economy.

I will start with a few words about the consular assistance provided by DFATD. Strengthening services to Canadians, including consular services, is one of this government's priorities. Canadians are travelling now more than ever, and how and where they're travelling is changing. This has caused an increase in the complexity of consular cases. An estimated 2.8 million Canadians reside outside of Canada.

In 2011, Canadians made nearly 60 million visits abroad and these numbers are getting higher every year. While most of these visits are incident free, we are here to help when problems do arise. Canada's consular services operate around the clock through a network of more than 260 offices in over 150 countries. In addition, the 24/7 emergency watch and response centre here in Ottawa responds to a high number of telephone calls and emails from Canadians every day.

Last year, approximately 235,800 of our cases involved routine services such as replacement of stolen or lost passports, citizenship applications, and travel advice. There were 6,000 more serious cases, such as arrests or detentions, death, assault, family distress, or natural disasters. Some of the most complex cases involved children, such as their abduction or welfare. In all of these situations, we have to work with foreign jurisdictions and sometimes within international accords, which add more layers of complexity to our consular services.

Canadians must realize that when they are in a foreign country, that country's laws apply to them, that our consular services cannot simply exempt them from the local legal system. This is why we are providing tools to help travellers learn as much as possible about their destinations and to make safe decisions before they leave Canada. The travel.gc.ca website provides country-specific advice and other travel resources. My colleague, Diane Ablonczy, the former minister of state responsible for consular affairs, worked hard to make this a better resource for Canadians.

The site has been expanded and relaunched to enhance online services and assure accessibility. The site's content is regularly updated and is fed into by 11 other departments and agencies and supported by social media. I am proud that last month our website received the Government Technology Exhibition and Conference Award for excellence in public service delivery. I meet with stakeholders in the travel industry, including airlines, tour companies, travel associations, to get their input and advice on how best to serve Canadians abroad. These stakeholders are helpful and appreciative of the improvements that we have made.

In addition to my consular role, I have helped advance and defend Canada's broader interests on the world stage. I represented Canada at the Bled strategic forum in Slovenia, and in Croatia I promoted deeper energy ties between Canada and Europe and marked the 20th anniversary of diplomatic relations between our two countries.

It was a pleasure to promote closer engagement with Europe when we were strengthening ties through the Canada-Europe trade agreement. The agreement will generate prosperity and growth for Canadians in a wide range of sectors in every region of our country.

In Indonesia, I attended an APEC meeting of small and medium enterprise ministers and the Women and the Economy Forum.

I also had the opportunity to highlight Canada's support for women's empowerment at the United Nations General Assembly in New York. We advanced Canada's objectives related to nuclear disarmament, countering violent extremism, and the post-2015 international development agenda at the UN.

Finally, it's been a pleasure to support the Minister of International Trade. By consulting with industry representatives from the extractive sector, our government is determined to help that sector do well in the global economy. We are conscious that its benefits flow to every part of the country.

I am delighted to have the opportunity to help ensure that Canada provides first-class consular services and to play my part in advancing Canada's values and interests internationally.

Thank you. Merci beaucoup.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Minister Yelich

We'll start our first round of questions, which will be seven minutes, beginning with Mr. Dewar.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Chair, and thank you ministers for being here today. I'm going to focus my questions to you, Minister Baird. Of course, welcome to the committee. It's good to see you again.

I'd like to focus on the estimates. I am wanting to get from you, from this past year, how much of the funds that were allocated to DFAIT went unspent in 2012-2013.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

These are on supplementary estimates (B), but I'm happy to—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

If I may, I think they're the public accounts. Maybe I should have—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Baird Conservative Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

I'd be more than happy to answer the question. But maybe I'll just ask Nadir Patel—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I was going to preface my question by saying maybe it should be to someone else.

3:45 p.m.

Nadir Patel Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

I'd be delighted to.

For the operating vote, Vote 1, the department in 2012-13 lapsed at $123.4 million, and that was reported in the public accounts. That's broken down. Simply to provide some additional context, $21 million of that was what we refer to as “special purpose allotments”. These were specific purpose funds that were fenced only for those purposes, and they would typically move into a multi-year spending profile.

There was $16.8 million in frozen allotments. That means money that we can't touch; for example, currency gains around the world. You'll also see in these supplementary estimates, I think, some $9 million approximately in frozen allotments for currency gain. We don't benefit as a department for that, but it's frozen in our estimates so it's used as an offset for other funding down the road. We don't benefit, nor are we penalized for foreign currency fluctuations.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you. Could you give me an aggregate? It's reported that it's about $350 million. Would that be a correct number for the unallocated funds for the department?

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Nadir Patel

Not quite.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

What would your number be? Give me an estimate.

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Nadir Patel

I've got it broken down here.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Well, I only want the aggregate, if you could. I'm sure you can.

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Nadir Patel

Well, the net lapse on the operating expenditures, which include a carry-forward of $67 million, was $85 million. Of that, $67 million is the carry-forward into the current fiscal year from last year. So the net amount after that is actually $20 million, and then that $20 million includes $12 million that was set aside for transitional support measures, money we only use to fund one-time costs related to implementing—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

That's in addition to the $124 million that you mentioned?

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Nadir Patel

Right. So essentially there was no lapse in the operating expenditures, when you break it down along the lines—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Sorry, wait a minute. Sorry.

You said there's $124 million that wasn't allocated at the beginning.

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

So that's not allocated.

3:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Finance and Operations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Nadir Patel

No, so the—