Evidence of meeting #50 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • William V. Baker  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety
  • Doug Nevison  Director, Fiscal Policy Division, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
  • Ned Franks  Professor Emeritus, Department of Political Studies, Queen's University, As an Individual

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Ottawa South, ON

It is. It says—I want to quote here, sir—simply that “all breaches of privilege are contempts of the House”.

Thank you very much.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Joe Preston

Thank you. Great information.

Monsieur Nadeau, thank you for coming and joining us today. You have five minutes.

10:50 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Gatineau, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

My question is for Mr. Toews, Minister of Public Safety. On Bill S-7, which seeks to deter terrorism, the documentation provided yesterday contains an analysis of the reallocation of money for the department of foreign affairs. That is what it says, it's done.

As for Bill S-10, which also pertains to public safety, there are costing details affecting foreign affairs, among others. That bill, by the way, has to do with trafficking in a controlled drug or substance.

I want to know whether an analysis was done on the additional costs the department of foreign affairs would have to incur under Bill C-5 for the international transfer of Canadian inmates abroad.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Vic Toews Provencher, MB

I'm not exactly sure which bill he wants to cite.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Niagara Falls, ON

Do you want Bill S-7 or Bill S-10? You did mention both, to be fair.

10:50 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Gatineau, QC

I will repeat my question, sir. I may have been too quick for the interpreter and my colleagues.

You did actually provide information on Bill S-7. We have that.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Vic Toews Provencher, MB

All right.

10:50 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Gatineau, QC

We also have the information for Bill S-10.

Mr. Minister, my question has to do with Bill C-5, which pertains to the international transfer of Canadian inmates. I wanted to know whether you had an analysis similar to what was done in the previous two cases.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Vic Toews Provencher, MB

Mr. Chair, I can turn that over to the officials who have compiled this information. My deputy minister, Mr. Baker, will respond.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Joe Preston

Mr. Baker.

March 17th, 2011 / 10:50 a.m.

William V. Baker Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety

Mr. Chair, Bill C-5, which deals with the international transfer of offenders, essentially changes the criteria under which the minister can consider a request to transfer an offender. As we've indicated in the material that has been provided to the committee, we do not see at this time a need for any incremental resources.

As we acknowledged, if this bill were to come into effect—it's at report stage right now—and if we were to detect that there were some implications that we could not foresee at this time, we would certainly find ways to address those within the funding framework that's available.

10:50 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Gatineau, QC

Mr. Chair, according to the analysis put forward by Mr. Baker and Mr. Toews, no estimate of the additional costs or fees associated with the transfer of responsibilities for the department of foreign affairs has been established at this time.

10:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety

William V. Baker

Mr. Chair, we see there are potential implications for Correctional Service Canada, the Parole Board, and the Department of Foreign Affairs.

At this point in time, our professional judgment is that the implications are so remote and so ill-defined and would be of a magnitude that would not necessitate early flagging. We feel we're in the best shape to track the implementation of this bill and then address anything that may come up later. There may not be any implications there. It's speculative at this point.

10:55 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Gatineau, QC

Mr. Chair, it is nevertheless interesting to hear that answer, especially since the bill has been introduced and fine-tuned. Some amount of funding will be allocated, but they haven't got a ballpark figure of how much it will cost.

10:55 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety

William V. Baker

No. Mr. Chair, once again, if we had reason to believe, based on our analysis, that there was an identifiable amount, we would certainly have included that, first of all, in the discussions and the funding request, but it would also be captured in the material that we provided.

At this point we are unable to define any amount that can be reasonably attributed to the implementation of this bill.