Evidence of meeting #39 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Mayrand  Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada
Belaineh Deguefé  Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Policy, Planning and Public Affairs, Elections Canada
Mark G. Watters  Chief Financial Officer, House of Commons
Audrey O'Brien  Clerk of the House of Commons

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'd like to call the meeting to order. We have reduced time today because of the votes that just took place.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), under the main estimates for 2012-13, vote 15 under the Privy Council, referred to the committee on Tuesday, February 28, 2012, we have Monsieur Mayrand from Elections Canada with us today.

We are going to try to go with about 40 minutes for each panel—I'm sorry, I'm reducing your time—so at about twenty minutes after the hour we'll finish off this half, and then we'll have the Clerk and the Speaker in for the second half.

Monsieur Mayrand, you have some opening statements. Please go ahead. Introduce the people who are with you, and then we'll get to questions after that and will see how concise we can be today.

11:35 a.m.

Marc Mayrand Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

With me today is Mrs. Helen Bélanger, who is the chief financial officer at Elections Canada, and Mr. Belaineh Deguefé, who is the deputy chief for electoral affairs, responsible for planning, policy, and public affairs.

I am here today to discuss the 2012-13 main estimates for my office, including Elections Canada's priorities for this fiscal year.

Following seven years of minority governments, my office is now working in a new operating environment. The election of a majority government means a fixed election date, with the next general election in October 2015. The agency now has a window of opportunity to pursue longer-term efforts to modernize the electoral process before returning to full election readiness. My office is also focused on some significant external and internal initiatives, such as supporting the readjustment of electoral boundaries, preparing for our upcoming move to Gatineau, and managing the impact of fiscal restraint.

Before I explain our priorities, I would like to provide an overview of the budget authorities under which my office operates, as well as an account of Elections Canada's response to fiscal restraint.

The Office of the Chief Electoral Officer is funded by and operates under two separate budget authorities. The first is an annual parliamentary appropriation, which only covers the salaries for indeterminate positions. For these main estimates, our appropriation is $29.5 million, representing the salaries of approximately 360 full-time equivalent employees. It is this component that the committee is considering for approval today.

The second is a statutory authority that draws directly from the Consolidated Revenue Fund. This authority funds all other Elections Canada expenditures. Our projected statutory draw for 2012-13 is $114.7 million.

As I outlined in my January 2012 letter to this committee, Elections Canada is reducing its annual operating budget by 8% starting this fiscal year. In making these reductions, we did not include expenditures that fall outside our annual operating budget, namely those related to transfer payments required by statute, the delivery of electoral events, the readjustment of electoral boundaries, and the relocation of Elections Canada's office to Gatineau in 2013.

This left an operating budget of $94.1 million, which we then reduced by $7.5 million or 8%. Elections Canada is applying these reductions in four ways.

First, we have reduced the budget available to programs for time-limited initiatives. This budget, only available to programs through a rigorous annual allocation process, is used to renew program infrastructure and carry out initiatives aimed at improving election administration.

Second, programs have been required, through a variety of measures, to achieve efficiencies and absorb maintenance costs for recently delivered information technology applications.

Third, we are extending the timeframe for the development and delivery of various programs and corporate initiatives. For example, we're now planning to conduct a pilot project on Internet voting during the next general election in 2015, rather than in a byelection in 2013.

Finally, the agency is reviewing all programs to ensure that resources are focused on the highest priorities linked to its mandate.

We will await instruction from Treasury Board about how to fully reflect information on my office budget reduction in subsequent estimates reports.

While our proposed reductions apply to statutory expenses, Elections Canada's annual appropriation, which is the one you'll be voting on today, is nevertheless affected by the 2010 budget restraint measures, which required departments to absorb the costs associated with increases in collective agreements. These measures have put pressure on my office's ability within its annual appropriation. This situation has been exacerbated by declining attrition rates.

To the extent that departments are required to continue absorbing these costs in future years, I expect that my office will not be able to manage its salary expenses within its annual appropriation by 2014.

To address this critical situation and in an effort to minimize the impact on the services we provide to electors and political entities, Elections Canada is completing a zero-based budgeting exercise. This exercise will allow my office to review its operations, to identify additional cost savings, prioritize investments, and reallocate financial and human resources.

Elections Canada may nonetheless need to apply the workforce adjustment directive to deal with the projected pressure on its annual appropriations. We'll be in a better position in the fall to provide details in that regard.

I would now like to briefly describe our priorities for this fiscal year.

The 2012–13 report on plans and priorities indicates that Elections Canada would focus on two overarching priorities; these are the electoral boundaries readjustment process and improvements for electors and political entities.

In light of recent events, we have readjusted our plans, to place a major priority on strengthening measures aiming to improve compliance with the procedures and standards applicable on voting days. Our intention is threefold: first, to review the voter registration and voting process based on what transpired in Etobicoke Centre; second, to assess the effectiveness of existing checks and balances; and third, to engage key stakeholders in implementing solutions for the 2015 election. We believe this is critical, regardless of the outcome of the appeal.

Let me now turn to the electoral boundaries readjustment. The agency will continue enabling the 10 independent commissions to conduct their work in 2012-13 by providing administrative and technical support. We will also begin the preparatory work required to implement the new boundaries.

As prescribed by the legislation, Elections Canada must be ready to hold a general election using the new boundaries within seven months after the conclusion of the readjustment process, anticipated for fall 2013.

At this time, the process is on track. Commissions are planning to complete their proposals this spring and summer, and to conduct public hearings by the fall. I will continue to update parliamentarians throughout the process.

A second priority for 2012-13 is improvements in services for electors and political entities. With a fixed election date of October 2015, my office has a two-year window of opportunity to focus on selected improvements before returning to election readiness in 2014-15.

For the 2015 election, our focus is on improving convenience and accessibility for Canadians, while ensuring that the integrity of the electoral process is protected. We are considering options for expanding the use of the voter information card as proof of identity and address, as well as expanding our online voter registration service, which was launched in April.

In addition, we will look at options for establishing new locations to vote by special ballot, such as university and college campuses, and community centres serving electors with disabilities. We are also planning to conduct pilot projects to test Internet voting as well as more efficient voting processes at ordinary and advance polls.

These pilot projects require timely parliamentary approval. I will keep parliamentarians updated through the House and Senate committees responsible for electoral matters, prior to seeking approval.

I will also continue to engage key stakeholders, including the Advisory Committee of Political Parties, as these initiatives evolve.

In the case of political entities, we are pursuing our initiatives to reduce the administrative burden and improve our services to them. These initiatives include e-filing capabilities, more efficient maintenance of registration information, and improved access to demographic data by polling division.

As Elections Canada implements measures related to fiscal restraint, it remains committed to offering career development opportunities and improving succession planning.

Lastly, we are preparing to move to a new facility in Gatineau and consolidate all Elections Canada offices in one location. This move is scheduled to occur in summer 2013.

In concluding, I would like to touch on a few other matters of interest to the committee.

First, I would like to thank the committee for its comprehensive consideration of my 2010 recommendations for legislative change. I look forward to the government's response to your report.

Second, I plan to invite the committee to Elections Canada's headquarters in the fall. This will be an occasion to provide you with an update on our key initiatives.

Finally, I would like to follow up on my previous appearance before this committee regarding the so-called robocalls affair.

During my appearance on March 29, I informed the committee that we had at that time received over 800 complaints regarding alleged fraudulent calls made during the 41st general election. The total as of this week is now over 1,100 complaints. However, the number of new complaints is declining considerably.

I also indicated during my last appearance that I would provide you with a report at the end of the fiscal year. I would like to speak briefly to the nature and scope of that report, which is not dependent on the progress or outcome of the investigation.

The purpose of this report will be to suggest improvements to the Canada Elections Act in order to deal with a number of issues relating to new technologies and social media, as well as to all political entities that communicate with electors during a general election. Among other things, it will address issues such as voter contacts, either through automated or live calls, and whether, and if so to what extent, these communications need to be regulated.

As for the investigation, I can confirm that it is ongoing and remains a priority for the commissioner. However, until the investigation has been concluded, I am not in a position to provide additional information to the committee.

I remain mindful that the committee had previously asked that I appear in June to provide a follow-up on this matter. While I am available, if the committee so wishes, I believe an appearance at this time would be premature, as it is unlikely that I will be in a position to provide any additional information on the investigation.

On this, Mr. Chair, I would like to thank you. My colleagues and I would be pleased to answer your questions.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you. Thank you very much for your statement.

We will go to questioning. We'll go five-minute rounds and then four-minute rounds, and see if we can do it all in half an hour.

Mr. Reid, go ahead.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

Thank you.

Just to be clear, you said you'd report before the end of this fiscal year. You mean then you'll report to us by March 31, 2013?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I had wanted to inquire about something that came up in the news on Saturday. This relates to your expenditures. Some documents received via the Access to Information Act indicate that Elections Canada has been engaged through an intermediary in doing telephone contact with voters for the purpose of boosting voter turnout. Specifically, $50,000 was given to the Assembly of First Nations during the last election to set up call centres, reading from prepared scripts that Elections Canada had provided. This was designed to boost aboriginal voter participation.

Let me ask, first of all, would you be able to make available to us copies of those scripts, so we can find out exactly what was said to the voters?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Sure. No problem.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I assume as well.... Normally, when a government department or an agency gives money to a private organization, there's a requirement that they submit a report at the end of that to show how they've fulfilled the agreement. I'd be grateful if you could submit that to us as well, so we can take a look at how this contract was fulfilled. Can you do that for us?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

Okay. Now, the next question I have is, is this the only voter contact that Elections Canada farmed out to another organization in the last election, or indeed in the last several elections? This is part of the five-year program you had set up since 2005, or seven years, I guess. Are there any other cases where other organizations were used to provide such contact?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

As a point of clarification, these were not voter contacts. This was a contract to reach out to band leaders across the country and inform them about the opportunities for their members to vote in their community.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

Am I correct then that this may have been misreported, that what's in the article may not reflect the fact? Is that what you're saying?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Certainly it was not voter contact. It was contact with band leaders, and we used the AFN to reach out to band leaders to facilitate awareness about the voting options and processes in their community.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

So the scripts then are scripts that the AFN would use to talk to band leaders, as opposed to speaking to individual voters. Is that correct?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I see. All right. I guess we'll have a chance to look at that in more detail.

I asked a question about any other such contracts with any other organizations. Is this one with the AFN the only one of this type, or was there anything else?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

There was a similar contract with the AFN in a previous election. I'm not aware of whether there were any others.

Would you know?

11:50 a.m.

Belaineh Deguefé Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Policy, Planning and Public Affairs, Elections Canada

We have also worked with the National Association of Friendship Centres to provide them with information they can supply to the members they serve. That's more of an information program related to indicating where and how to vote.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

That's also an aboriginal initiative. Were there initiatives directed at any groups other than aboriginals?

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

Not that I'm aware of.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

All right. I guess I would ask the same question about submitting to us the scripts of the material for the friendship centres, as well. If you could do that, we'd be most appreciative.

I think that's everything I have, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

You have a minute, if someone wants it.

We'll go to Mr. Kerr, for one minute.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Greg Kerr Conservative West Nova, NS

Thank you very much.

I had a number of questions I was going to try to get in later.

You referenced pilot projects and changing the one from 2013 to 2015. Of course you'll bring all the pilot projects back here for approval. I understand that. Could you expand on why there's a focus on 2015? I might have missed something in your explanation.

11:50 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Elections Canada

Marc Mayrand

One aspect of this is that we just came out of a general election, which has an impact on projects that were on the drawing board. The other thing is that in light of financial constraints, we need to spread out our expenditures in those areas. Again, we think that 2015 is more reasonable.

On these pilot projects, there are two we're looking at right now. There may be others, but there are two that we'll definitely bring to the attention of this committee. One is on I-Voting. The other one is on voting operations at the polls. How do we organize work? What procedures are in place? How can we become more efficient and provide better service to electors, be more consistent in the application of the legislation, and generally provide a more trustworthy result in all the processes?

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you.

We'll go to Mr. Comartin, for five minutes.