Evidence of meeting #47 for International Trade in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was abitibibowater.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Stephenson  Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
John O'Neill  Director, Investment Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Gus Van Harten  Associate Professor, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, As an Individual
Steven Shrybman  International Trade and Public Interest Lawyer, Council of Canadians
Brian Lee Crowley  Managing Director, Macdonald-Laurier Institute

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

Good morning. This is the 47th meeting of the Standing Committee on International Trade. This morning we're going to have a discussion on the AbitibiBowater settlement.

To help us through that, we have witnesses from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade. We welcome Don Stephenson, who has been with us many times. He is the assistant deputy minister of trade policy and negotiations. With Mr. Stephenson is John O'Neill, director of investment trade policy with the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

I will ask Mr. Stephenson to begin with a brief opening statement, after which members will be invited to ask questions of witnesses.

8:55 a.m.

Don Stephenson Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to address the committee.

As the assistant deputy minister for trade policy and negotiations, I'm responsible for managing the negotiation of Canada's international trade agreements, and their management and operation, including the management of disputes under the agreements.

My colleague John O'Neill is responsible for the management of negotiations and litigation under Canada's investment treaties.

The subject of the committee's discussions today is an investor-state dispute, pursuant to the provisions of chapter 11 of the North American Free Trade Agreement, arising from an action taken by the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador.

On December 16, 2008, the Newfoundland legislature passed legislation to expropriate certain of AbitibiBowater's assets in the province. Those assets included AbitibiBowater's Grand Falls-Windsor newsprint plant, the Exploits River hydroelectric facility, and the Star Lake hydroelectric facility, as well as certain related water and timber rights.

As stated by Danny Williams, the then premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, the province chose to take these measures as a result of the announcement of AbitibiBowater's decision to close the Grand Falls-Windsor newsprint plant in March 2009.

After Newfoundland passed the act, the company and the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador had extensive discussions regarding the question of appropriate compensation for these assets, but they were unable to reach a mutually agreeable settlement.

It is clear in the act and in their public statements that the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador understood that it was not a question of whether compensation was due to AbitibiBowater as a result of this expropriation, but rather a question of how much compensation the company should receive.

The public record shows that one of the principal points preventing an agreement between the company and Newfoundland was the valuation of assets in light of the potential environmental remediation costs that might arise in the context of properties owned or operated by AbitibiBowater over the last 100 years in Newfoundland. It is important to note that most of the potential remediation costs were related to properties other than those that were the subject of the expropriation.

As it was unable to reach agreement with Newfoundland, in April 2009 AbitibiBowater filed a notice of intent to submit an investor-state claim against Canada under the dispute settlement provisions of chapter 11 of the NAFTA, claiming damages of at least $300 million.

NAFTA chapter 11 and Canada's other international investment treaties do not prevent the government from expropriating private property for a public policy reason. However, these treaties oblige governments to provide compensation for the expropriated assets based on fair market value.

Moreover under the domestic law of most provinces, including Newfoundland, the government has the right to expropriate property for public purposes but must pay compensation. It is important to note that even if there were no investor-State dispute settlement provisions in the NAFTA, companies have legal recourse through the domestic courts to seek compensation for expropriation. Furthermore, providing compensation for the expropriation of foreign-owned property is an obligation arising under customary international law, irrespective of the NAFTA.

In the spring of 2009, AbitibiBowater was in a difficult financial situation. Consequently, on April 16, 2009, the company filed for creditor protection under chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code, and for protection under Canada's Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act the following day.

During the year following AbitibiBowater's notice of intent, settlement discussions towards an agreement on the amount of compensation due to the company were pursued. On February 25, 2010, as no agreement had been reached among the three parties, AbitibiBowater took the next step in the arbitration process and filed a notice of arbitration against the Government of Canada under NAFTA chapter 11, increasing its damages claim to at least $500 million.

AbitibiBowater alleged that the provincial legislature expropriated both its and its Canadians affiliates' assets in a discriminatory manner, without due process or valid public purpose, in contravention of Canada's obligations under NAFTA. It further claimed that the provincial legislature did not comply with NAFTA's compensation requirements.

The company alleged that, through Newfoundland's actions, Canada had contravened the national treatment and most-favoured nation treatment provisions of the NAFTA, as the act explicitly targeted and singled out the Canadian operation of AbitibiBowater, rather than apply generally to all local companies or foreign investors that have also closed facilities in the province, and that the approach to compensation was equally discriminatory and precluding that company alone from accessing the courts.

AbitibiBowater also claimed that the act violated the principle of fair and equitable treatment of Canada's minimum standard of treatment obligation in the NAFTA, alleging that expropriation was arbitrary, irrational and discriminatory, in violation of AbitibiBowater's legitimate expectation of a stable business and legal environment, and of equal treatment vis-à-vis other investors.

Furthermore, the expropriation and compensation provisions of the NAFTA provide that no party can expropriate an investment except for a public purpose, on a non-discriminatory basis, in accordance with due process of law, and on payment of compensation. The company claimed that the act did not meet any of these criteria for such an expropriation to be lawful.

By the spring of 2010, it had become evident that the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador would or could not contribute financially to a compensation package, due to outstanding claims for environmental remediation at current or former AbitibiBowater sites in the province.

After reviewing its options, the Government of Canada decided to continue settlement discussions with the company, which continued through the spring and summer of that year. On August 24, 2010, the Government of Canada and AbitibiBowater announced that an agreement had been reached to the mutual satisfaction of both parties, without recourse to arbitration.

The agreement was structured so that it did not come into force until the company's plan of restructuring in the United States and Canada had been approved by the courts. This happened in December 2010. Through the settlement agreement, AbitibiBowater irrevocably and permanently withdrew its $500 million NAFTA chapter 11 claim against Canada, and the Government of Canada made a payment of $130 million to AbitibiBowater.

The Government of Canada did its due diligence by ensuring that all the conditions of the settlement agreement had been met. For the settlement agreement to come into effect, the U.S. and Canadian bankruptcy courts had to first approve the settlement agreement itself, and then these courts had to also approve AbitibiBowater's general plan of restructuring.

Finally, according to the terms of the settlement agreement, once the court approvals had been secured, the settlement agreement only took effect when all of the relevant appeal periods had lapsed. This ensured that the payment was made to a Canadian entity that had continuing operations in Canada. The $130-million payment was based on an assessment of the fair market value of the company’s expropriated assets in Newfoundland and Labrador. As a result, the settlement agreement fully complied with Canada's commitments under the 2006 softwood lumber agreement.

The Government of Canada, which is constitutionally responsible for Canada’s international relations, resolved this dispute for the benefit of Canada’s long-term economic interests. In reaching this agreement, the government has avoided potentially long and costly legal proceedings which, in the end, would have ended with Canada providing compensation to AbitibiBowater for the expropriated assets. Moreover, this approach reaffirms the Government of Canada’s commitment to maintaining a rules-based business environment that facilitates free trade and encourages investment.

In summary, the payment of $130 million to AbitibiBowater was not a question of whether government and Canada had or have the ability to regulate in the public interest. Rather it was a question of providing equitable compensation for property expropriated by a government in Canada. There is no question of the government's right to expropriate the properties for a public purpose, as long as adequate compensation is provided.

I trust that the Committee will find the information I have provided today useful. I welcome the opportunity to address any questions you may have on the matter.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

Thank you very much, Mr. Stephenson--fascinating.

We're going to begin--

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Well, what a delight--on division.

9:05 a.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

--with a proud son of Newfoundland and Labrador.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Oh my goodness, not on division.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Lee Richardson

Mr. Simms.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

I'm stunned by your overwhelming comments, very simply stunned. Thank you very much.

It's good to see everybody, and thank you, Mr. Chair, for having me as a witness. As you know, I have an interest in this because the mill and assets in question are in my riding.

Very quickly, what were the discussions beforehand? When I look at this issue.... We have a situation there with this mill: it's going to need a serious cleanup to remediate the area and the lands. I know there's an ongoing court situation now with the province going to the Supreme Court. But in the meantime, before this money was transferred, and during these lengthy discussions, was there the idea of the federal government's being involved in two things such as, for example, environmental cleanup or even with the pension transfer of some employees that went from the company over to the province? Were any of these discussions made or was it simply “we did bad and we're going to pay you”?

9:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

The only matter in which the Government of Canada was directly involved in discussions was with respect to the settlement of the expropriation under the terms of the NAFTA. We were not engaged directly in discussions between the firm and the province with respect to either pension payments or environmental remediation costs.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Because my understanding was--and this is through many sources--that the company had approached the federal government about environmental remediation as a way of settling the much larger dispute.

9:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

Well, I don't know, John, whether you're aware of any such...?

9:05 a.m.

John O'Neill Director, Investment Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

No. I'm not aware of any discussions with the company on environmental remediation. It certainly was an issue that entered into the trilateral discussions, but not in specifics, more in terms of the money that Newfoundland would be willing to contribute to a settlement. But the specifics of who does what to clean it up were between the province and the company.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

And no discussion whatsoever...? The federal government was not engaged in that discussion in any which way, shape, or form?

9:05 a.m.

Director, Investment Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

John O'Neill

The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade was involved. I'm not aware of any other department being involved.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

When they started out, you said there was an investor-state claim of $300 million. Explain again how it goes from $300 million to $500 million. What's the situation there? How do we come to the final number of $130 million to pay off? I mean, obviously you're assuming guilt here.

9:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

There was an expropriation--

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

I appreciate that, but at the same time—

9:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

That was hard to deny.

9:05 a.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Trust me: it is hard to deny.

9:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

With respect to the values that the company put on the various claims they made under the NAFTA, it's impossible for us to know exactly how they came to the determination. As I explained, there were several parts of that claim. When it came to the question of how we evaluated the assets that had been expropriated, we studied as best we could the fair market value of the actual assets, and that was the basis on which the determination was made.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

You mentioned that they could go through the courts as well, so why didn't they go that route? Was that discussion had by them as opposed to chapter 11...? You said that through the normal course of the courts, they could have taken the province to court. Is that correct?

9:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Don Stephenson

In the normal course of events in Canada, yes, you can prosecute in domestic courts for compensation for expropriation by governments. In this particular instance, the province passed legislation closing off access to the provincial courts in the matter.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Very interesting.

So at this stage now, where we are now, obviously they've come out of bankruptcy and we've paid them the $130 million. Are there any more discussions taking place with Abitibi beyond what is happening right now or are we clear of this now and that's it?