Evidence of meeting #34 for Justice and Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was masks.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Tony Hunt  General Manager, Loss Prevention, London Drugs Limited
  • Steve Rai  Inspector in Charge, District Three, Operations Division, Vancouver Police Department
  • Paul Champ  Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association
  • Lincoln Merraro  Senior Security Manager, Cadillac Fairview Corporation Limited
  • Michael Byers  Professor and Canada Research Chair, Department of Political Science, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Kitchener Centre, ON

Exactly. I'm interested in seeing the citations. Until I look at the cases, I'm afraid we can't really discuss them in—

12:55 p.m.

Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association

Paul Champ

That's fine. I'm happy to provide them to you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you for that.

I was glad you mentioned the example of NDP MPs attending the tuition rallies, because it explained for me why our colleagues from the NDP are so opposed to this bill. That's helpful.

It seems to me that even if I were an NDP member of Parliament, if I found myself in the middle of a riot or an unlawful assembly wearing a mask, I would probably find it prudent and helpful to the police to take the mask off. So I'm a little unsure about why it is you say that anyone would have a good reason to keep a mask on when they're in the middle of an unlawful assembly or riot. I just don't perceive that this would be a prudent or intelligent thing to do, even for a member of the NDP, unless there were some ulterior motive.

12:55 p.m.

Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association

Paul Champ

Just to be clear, if there's an unlawful assembly or riot, anyone in it is committing an offence, whether they're wearing a mask or not.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Kitchener Centre, ON

Right.

12:55 p.m.

Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association

Paul Champ

That's the bill. The problem I was identifying is that it's difficult to determine intent to be participating in an unlawful assembly. That problem is not going to change. The issue is that it's going to create a chilling effect for those who wish to attend. They might be at the front of the march and they don't know that a bunch of vandals in the back are smashing windows.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Kitchener Centre, ON

Well—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Dave MacKenzie

Thank you, Mr. Woodworth.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Kitchener Centre, ON

I've enjoyed our conversation. Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association

Paul Champ

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Dave MacKenzie

Mr. Champ, I would ask you to forward that information to the clerk, and the clerk will distribute it to everyone.

12:55 p.m.

Legal Counsel, BC Civil Liberties Association

Paul Champ

Will do. Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Dave MacKenzie

Mr. Jean.

May 3rd, 2012 / 12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1 p.m.

NDP

Raymond Côté Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Mr. Chair, a point of order. It is now 1:00 p.m., contrary to what the clock indicates.