Evidence of meeting #17 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was brunswick.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dan Tolgyesi  President and Chief Executive Officer, Québec Mining Association
Sam McEwan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources, Government of New Brunswick

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the continuation of our study on resource development in northern Canada.

We have with us today as witnesses from the Québec Mining Association, Dan Tolgyesi, president and chief executive office; Jean-Claude Belles-Isles, director, environment; and Benoit Longchamps, economist.

As well, we have by video conference today from Fredericton, New Brunswick, Sam McEwan, assistant deputy minister, Department of Natural Resources.

Welcome to all of you.

Monsieur Gravelle, do you have something you'd like to bring up as a point of order?

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

I know we're going to have bells in 15 minutes. We have two presentations of 10 minutes each. Could we wait the 20 minutes before we leave and get the presentations over with and then come back for questions after?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Is there unanimous consent to do that?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

They are half-hour bells?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, they're half-hour bells.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

We can do that.

3:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. We have unanimous consent, and I appreciate that.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Monsieur Lapointe.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

If I may, Mr. Chair, can the meeting last a little longer, as it did last time, since we know we have a vote?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Why don't we see when the bells are and see whether it will be worth coming back. If it happens to be a little bit later, then it probably wouldn't be worth it, but otherwise we can certainly discuss that just as soon as the bells start.

Would that be acceptable?

3:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you, Chair.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay.

If we could, we'll have the presentations in the order they're listed on the orders of the day.

We'll start with the Québec Mining Association. I understand it will be Dan Tolgyesi who's going to make the presentation.

Go ahead, please, sir.

3:30 p.m.

Dan Tolgyesi President and Chief Executive Officer, Québec Mining Association

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members. On behalf of the Québec Mining Association, thank you for your kind invitation to present to this committee the position of the Quebec mining industry with respect to northern development.

As you've said, with me today are Mr. Jean-Claude Belles-Isles, who is manager of environment, and Benoit Longchamps, economist.

Our presentation will be in French, but please do not hesitate to ask any questions in English or French.

Mr. Chairman, did you receive some slides? I will be referring to some graphics and it will be useful if you could see them.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We did receive the slides, but they were in French only. We have a policy at committee that we require the translation to both official languages, unless there's unanimous consent that we distribute the document in one language only.

Is there unanimous consent?

3:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. I see unanimous consent. We will distribute the slides.

Thank you very much.

Go ahead, please, sir.

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Québec Mining Association

Dan Tolgyesi

It's about 30 slides, but we will use specifically about 11 of them, because the other ones are text. But when there are pictures it will be much easier to understand.

My presentation is not going to be about our association because you are already familiar with it. There are some basic concepts on page 5. What you see there are the stages of mining activities, including exploration, restoration and follow-up, in terms of duration, investments and other criteria. As you can see, the investment is huge, and so are the timelines. On pages 6 and 7, I just want to show the importance of timing for specific mining projects. In our industry, we have to reconcile ourselves to the cyclical nature of metal prices.

On page 6, you see an example showing a mining company that has operated a mine for a very short length of time, just five years. But development took six years and exploration more than seven. The red part shows the actual mining. The price of metals is shown in green for American dollars and blue for Canadian dollars. If you move the production period to the left or the right, that is, if you hold the project back or speed it up, you can end up in a period when the project is going to make money, or it absolutely isn't. But page 7 shows another project, the LaRonde mine. Its 30-year lifespan means that it is much easier for the project to be profitable.

On page 9, we talk about land use. This page shows that, while exploration has to cover a vast amount of territory, the actual mining only affects very small areas. In Quebec, the public has the impression that mines take up a lot of territory. That is not true. Mining operations, past and present, take up only 0.03% of the province, and always have. That is the equivalent of three-quarters of the island of Montreal. In a word, then, the land area used for mining is very small.

On page 12, we compare mining to other areas of commodity production. You can see that, with 1.4% of the firms in Quebec, mining provides 5.1% of the jobs, 10% of the investments and 12% of the exports.

You have the pages here.

I'm sorry. I will show you the picture so you will see what I'm talking about.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much.

3:35 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Québec Mining Association

Dan Tolgyesi

I am talking about this one, where we are talking about the impact of the mining industry, of mining companies, on the economy.

As I mentioned, that is 1.4% of the companies, but it represents 12% of the exports.

On the next page, we show the economic impact of mining companies on local and regional economies. More than a third of the purchases of goods and services are made regionally. In Quebec alone, that comes to $1 billion in investments at local and regional levels. The impact, therefore, is huge.

I am now going to speak to the section entitled “Performance du secteur minier”, specifically about social performance. The mining industry has incorporated sustainable development principles into its operations. In Quebec, according to the Quebec ministry of economic development, innovation and export trade, we are at the top of the class in incorporating sustainable development into our operations.

I will now move to the section entitled “Performance en santé et sécurité”. The frequency of accidents, expressed as the number of accidents per 100 people, has dropped by more than 75% in 20 years. The rate is now about 4.8. This improvement is mainly because of the cooperative work of the companies, the workers and the unions.

In environmental matters, the mining sector is subject to more than 140 acts and sets of regulations that govern the industry at federal and provincial level. More than 60 pieces of legislation deal with the environment alone. The industry's compliance in matters of mining effluents has risen from 86% to over 99% since 1995, despite a 33% reduction in the consumption of fresh water. This means that we are using much less water, despite having increased our production capacity by 48%.

In our relationship with Aboriginal peoples, the mining sector is ahead of all other industries, because we work in outlying areas. We have agreements with Aboriginal people, such as the Impact and Benefit agreements. In Quebec, three new agreements have just been signed, one with Goldcorp Inc., another with Cliffs Natural Resources Inc. and another with New Millennium. Of all these agreements, one stands out as an example: the agreement with the regional authorities and Inuit of Makivik, in Nunavik, where 18% of the workforce is Aboriginal. Xstrata's Raglan project has made over $100 million available to local authorities.

The mining industry continues to be known for its rigorous governance. Just recently, we signed an agreement with the Bureau de normalisation du Québec to measure our progress in incorporating sustainable development principles into the daily operations of our companies. More than 26 sites are participating in this activity.

On this other slide, the bubbles show the growth and potential growth of various sectors. Here you see the provincial growth. The vertical axis shows world growth. When you look at the growth of various industrial sectors, you can see that the mining sector is the one with the most potential for economic growth.

This one just shows the increase in the number of mines currently operating in Quebec.

The table on the next page has “Plan Nord” in the title. This plan deals with mining projects north of the 49 th parallel. The value of the projects committed or in operation approaches $8 billion. Other projects are being evaluated; their total value could be around $26 billion. This shows the potential of the north. We are talking about the north of Quebec, but we can talk about the north of Canada too.

The sixth heading is “Enjeux”. The table that follows sums up the business risks facing the mining industry according to the Ernst & Young study. As you can see, they have listed the ten most important in descending order. You can also see how the significance of those issues has changed in 12 months. For example, resource nationalism was issue number four last year and it is number one today.

The skills shortage is the second most important issue; then comes infrastructure access, then the social licence to operate. The first four issues require government involvement. So we will provide more details about those. As for the remaining six, you can see that they are either business-related, or they relate to neither the business nor the government. Examples are the price of metals and the exchange rate. Neither yourselves nor the industry have any influence on those. So if I may, I will focus on the first four.

Under resource nationalism, you can see two effects. The first is entitled “Volonté populaire d'exiger de faire la 2e et 3e transformation dans leur juridiction”. Everyone wants the secondary and tertiary processing of all resources to be done at home. They don't want it done elsewhere.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Monsieur Tolgyesi, you're two minutes over already. If you could wrap up your presentation very quickly, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Québec Mining Association

Dan Tolgyesi

On the matter of royalties, everyone is demanding that they be higher. We also deal with the workforce issue. Maybe I should skip to the conclusion, which is called “Message à retenir”. The message there is that metals are essential for our modern way of life, that the mining industry is responsible, trustworthy and safe, and that it needs a regulatory framework that is simple, stable and predictable.

We feel that the government must support and fund research and development, specifically in the area of natural resources and even more specifically in mining. We have to work together to make sure that both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal communities are included. We feel that governments, both federal and provincial, should play a part in funding infrastructure in the north because that kind of participation has the following major strategic advantages. First, it makes communities less isolated; second, it provides an important lever for economic development; and finally, it gives us a presence and a firm foothold in Canada's northern regions. It's a place where Canadians live.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Merci.

We will go now to the second presentation, and this is by video conference from Fredericton, New Brunswick.

From the Government of New Brunswick, we have Sam McEwan, assistant deputy minister, Department of Natural Resources.

Mr. McEwan, I believe you were at our committee before by teleconference. If you could, just go ahead with your presentation, please.