Evidence of meeting #39 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was language.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Marie-France Kenny  President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada
  • Noel Burke  Interim President, Quebec Community Groups Network
  • Sylvia Martin-Laforge  Director General, Quebec Community Groups Network
  • Richard Clément  Director and Associate Dean, Official Languages and Bilingualism Institute, University of Ottawa
  • Suzanne Bossé  Director General, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada
  • Hilaire Lemoine  Executive in Residence, Official Languages and Bilingualism Institute, University of Ottawa

10:05 a.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

In the course of your interventions and discussions with Heritage Canada, did the latter indicate to you at any time its intentions regarding the use of our committee's work to assess the Roadmap?

10:05 a.m.

President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada

Marie-France Kenny

On February 19, we learned that testimony here and your study would be used as consultations for the next Roadmap.

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NDP

Élaine Michaud Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

After your appearance, naturally.

10:05 a.m.

President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada

Marie-France Kenny

Yes, after our appearance.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Would it have been useful, in your opinion, to know the purpose of the committee's work prior to your appearance?

10:05 a.m.

President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada

Marie-France Kenny

Yes, but I dare say that it could hardly be considered a consultation. Consulting the FCFA is not enough to learn the opinion of all the members of the Leaders' Forum and the 43 organizations who came to meet with you.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I completely agree.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Michael Chong

Thank you, Ms. Michaud and Ms. Kenny.

Mr. Boughen, you have the floor.

May 1st, 2012 / 10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ray Boughen Palliser, SK

Thank you, Chair.

May I add my voice of welcome to my colleagues in sharing with you part of the morning. We're glad this panel has been assembled.

Before I ask a question of the panel, let me say to Mr. Bélanger, I wish you well in your endeavours, wherever they may be.

Chair, we served together on DND a few years ago and we thoroughly enjoyed each other's company, I do believe, so best of luck to you, sir, wherever it is your travels take you.

I hear the panel saying collectively that the road map is the way to travel. I guess I would ask you to respond to the question, should the road map be revamped? Are there some detours that were in place that we had to work around? Is there a better approach?

I heard about workshops. Should that be part and parcel of the new road map if in fact it is framed the way it has been? Perhaps you could share with us your thoughts on those observations.

10:05 a.m.

President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada

Marie-France Kenny

Part of our recommendation was to have a tableau de bord. I'm sorry, I am a translator, and believe it or not, I can't think of the—

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A voice

Dashboard.

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President, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada

Marie-France Kenny

Thank you—a dashboard.

We know where the investments are coming from. Right now in the road map there are investments that are recurring. For example, the centre for leadership excellence, or something like it, involves Treasury Board salaries, which will be paid whether we have a road map or not. So these are recurring funds.

In my last conversation with Minister Moore, he said there were quite a bit of those in there. Those should not be part of the road map. These are investments the government will be making whether or not we have a road map. They will be paying the salaries of the Treasury Board Secretariat.

The other thing is that we don't know which programs are being funded. Health Canada, for example, might have had program Y. It no longer exists now as part of the road map, so is it a new investment? Is it something that we just took and put in the road map? We don't know.

Having this dashboard would tell us by departments, by year, what programs we are funding under the road map, because right now it's hard to make out where the money is coming from.

The other thing we think it should include is accountability on the part of the government and the community on where the money is going, what the progress indicators are on establishing goals and seeing how we meet those goals.

Mind you, with that comes the fact that we don't have at the base the capacity right now to do this work, so we need to build on the capacity of the associations that are already providing the services of the road map. So there are three—lots of recommendations for you.

It doesn't mean it wasn't successful. We just need to build on that success.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Ray Boughen Palliser, SK

Thank you.

10:10 a.m.

Interim President, Quebec Community Groups Network

Noel Burke

Part of our ambition in establishing the six priorities that we mentioned earlier.... While first they seem vague, in fact they're intended to be door openers to allow for the notion of interdepartmental funding of communities, and to allow communities to express themselves in a holistic way. Rather than refining, or should I say confining, ourselves to sectoral compartments like health, education, and other areas, it's to see us in a larger perspective. That seems to have had a good response from administrators of government departments—that interest in functioning more interdepartmentally and looking at the support of communities in a more holistic way than targeted specific projects, although they still would continue to exist.

I think an acknowledgement of a framework that's more open-ended is beneficial. It provides a win-win scenario for both the communities and the funding agencies.

I don't know if Sylvia has anything to add.

10:10 a.m.

Director General, Quebec Community Groups Network

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

One last thing. While we're scoping out for the large priorities, there is still a need to scope back in to see if there are initiatives in one or two or other of the departments that the departments could take on, on behalf of the English-speaking community for a five-year stretch.

We feel that both on the Plan d'action that preceded the road map and in the road map, we haven't been able to come with certain departments to have incubator projects that could give us some inclination and some evidence around five years—what could be done in the next five years. We need incubator projects in the next road map, should there be one, to give us some specific information.