Evidence of meeting #23 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was office.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Graham Fraser  Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages
Colette Lagacé  Director, Finance and Procurement, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

9:35 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

Absolutely. I have, in the past, both before parliamentary committees and in op-ed pieces in newspapers—and a few minutes ago—talked about the importance of the role that CBC and Radio-Canada play for minority language communities. It's a role that is often either ignored or misunderstood by people who are in a linguistic majority situation, where they are able to see CBC or Radio-Canada as just one station on the dial of maybe 100 or 150 stations.

But if you are living in an isolated community, the Radio-Canada station if you are outside Quebec, or the English-language community stations that CBC provides in Quebec, is a critical lifeline for the vitality of those communities. I am full of admiration for the role that CBC reporters, journalists, and hosts play in those minority communities, where they often go above and beyond the role of simply reading the news or hosting a morning show by playing a critical community animation role.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you very much.

We have about five minutes left. Lastly, we'll go to Mr. Daniel.

May 8th, 2014 / 9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Joe Daniel Conservative Don Valley East, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Commissioner, for being here.

Obviously there are a lot of things happening in the minority community and linguistic groups around the country. I really just wanted to ask you how programs from the Department of Canadian Heritage, such as the development of official-language communities program, at some $220 million a year, and the enhancement of official languages program, at another $112 million per year, support the economies of minority linguistic communities.

9:40 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

I think they play a very important role. They support a whole series of community organizations, which in some cases play a critical role not only in the active support of the existing community, but in bringing people back to those communities.

I'm thinking of the community organization for anglophones in the Magdalen Islands, for example. By working with some of the French-language community organizations, they have created sufficient vitality, energy, and economic activity that they've attracted young people who have gone away to university to come back to the islands. I found the same thing in the Gaspé, where people who had gone away to post-secondary institutions, and in some cases to the armed forces, were reaching a stage in their lives where they wanted to raise their children, so they moved back home. That decision was influenced significantly by the community vitality and the organizations that are being supported by these programs.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Joe Daniel Conservative Don Valley East, ON

Do you have any say in how that money is being spent? By “you”, I mean your department.

9:40 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

I'm in the influence business. We do investigations. We also will provide advice to institutions. Part of the obligations under the act are that federal institutions have to take positive measures for the growth and development of minority language communities. I will sometimes informally have meetings with executive committees of departments to encourage them to consult more closely with minority language communities. On a more formal basis, if there's a decision that's been made where complaints have been laid, we do investigations and we will make recommendations as to how the department should better meet its responsibilities under part VII of the act.

I do not have a formal role in deciding how Canadian Heritage is going to spend money, but sometimes, informally, a community organization will talk to me. I have informal conversations with people and departments and will flag some of my worries, so there are informal dialogues that go on.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Joe Daniel Conservative Don Valley East, ON

How do we evaluate the socio-economic situation in minority linguistic communities? Should we speak about the economic situation of individuals living in minority linguistic communities? Is the economic situation for minority linguistic communities different from the regional and national economic situation? What do you think?

9:40 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

It becomes a fine line. Certainly I am aware that it is difficult to use part VII of the Official Languages Act as a sweeping measure to stop elements that are affecting a community as a whole. For example, if a mill shuts down in a New Brunswick town and this has an effect on the entire community, it's difficult to use the provisions of the Official Languages Act to intervene in that situation.

That having been said, I think it is important that the members of minority language communities are able to thrive economically in their community. We have seen with the activities of the Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité that there is a whole series of ways in which, by linking support for industrial activities or for tourism activities, there is a strong link between supporting small businesses in the tourism industry that offer services in both languages; that this has an impact on the economic vitality of the community as a whole by supporting the minority language businesses in that area.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you very much.

Our questioning of the commissioner has ended.

The chair will now call vote 1.

OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF OFFICIAL LANGUAGES

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$18,623,744

(Vote 1 agreed to)

Shall the chair report this back to the House?

9:45 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

The chair shall report it back to the House.

Thank you very much for your questions and comments.

Now, is it the wish of the committee to continue to the second part of the orders of the day, which is the study on the economic vitality of linguistic minority communities, or do you wish to suspend for five minutes for a health break?

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Lise St-Denis Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

We are continuing.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Other witnesses are supposed to come to the table.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Jamie Nicholls NDP Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

I think we should continue, Mr. Chair.

9:45 a.m.

An hon. member

I think we need five minutes.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Okay. We'll suspend for five minutes.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

We shall resume our hearing.

During the second hour of this hearing of the Standing Committee on Official Languages, pursuant to standing order 108, we will be studying the economic situation of minority official language communities.

We have four witnesses: Mr. Fraser, Mr. Giguère, Mr. Lorieau and Mr. Quell.

Welcome to all of you.

Mr. Fraser, you have the floor.

9:50 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

Mr. Chair, honourable members of the committee, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak with you about this important issue of economic development in official language minority communities.

This is a complex and diverse topic, yet one that's been studied very little. As the community representatives who appeared before you have mentioned, the lack of research and data is a serious hindrance to understanding the issue and developing effective solutions. I'm therefore pleased that the committee is studying the matter, and I hope others will follow suit.

As some have said in recent weeks, there are economic development opportunities on the horizon for official language minority communities, whether in international trade, economic immigration, or other areas for entrepreneurs, and small and medium-sized businesses. During my meetings around the country, I've noted considerable potential within official language communities, in many regions, in terms of entrepreneurship, economic development, and creativity. To develop this potential and seize the opportunities, English- and French-speaking minority communities must nonetheless have the right tools and resources.

At the start of my mandate, I launched a series of studies on the vitality of official language minority communities in several regions of the country. The studies involved various partners and found that, despite similarities, each community faces a different reality. Beyond their challenges, communities each have their own aspirations that motivate them to grow.

While the economic situation of minority anglophones and francophones in different parts of the country is now comparable to that of the majority, the situation varies greatly from one region to another, and minority communities continue to face major challenges. The people who have appeared before your committee expressed it well: each region and each community is unique, and while best practices can be found in many communities, there is no single recipe for success.

In the west, for example, the economy is strong, the demand for labour is high, and workers are therefore pouring in from other regions of Canada and abroad. French-speaking communities in this part of the country therefore require more resources to meet an increasing demand in services and community support.

In some regions of the Maritimes and north and southwestern Ontario, on the other hand, a challenging economy sees young people leaving for large urban centres, which threatens their communities' future and entrepreneurship.

In Quebec, young English speakers have difficulty accessing the job market and are underemployed. They are leaving the province to settle elsewhere, which is undermining community vitality and renewal.

Federal institutions must therefore remain attentive and take these differences into account when creating programs and policies to support economic development and labour market integration. The institutions must also be flexible.

In the minority context, the implementation of positive measures does not always involve wide-reaching action. Sometimes small steps make a big difference to a community's growth and development.

We must remember that employment, education and immigration are jurisdictions that are shared with provincial and territorial governments. In transferring its programs and funds to the provinces and the territories, the federal government must ensure that the provincial and territorial government are aware of the needs of official language communities and the requirement to consult these communities to fully understand their unique challenges. In that sense, bilateral agreements must contain solid language clauses and accountability mechanisms to ensure that the needs of these communities are taken into account.

A healthy economy, job opportunities, the presence of employers and entrepreneurs, and opportunities for growth can all have a positive impact on a community's ability to stay dynamic, encourage its young people to remain, and attract new workers and new members. When a community organizes a tourism project, posts an event, creates a cultural product or develops a cooperative, its appeal goes well beyond the community itself.

Over the years, francophone and Acadian communities have targeted immigration as a solution for the future, a means of ensuring their growth. In recent years, the federal government has been working to modernize the Canadian immigration system with a focus on the economy, faster workforce integration, and the recruitment of immigrants with skills needed in Canada.

The new system gives priority to the economy and the role of employers. In this context, French-speaking minority communities should be promoted as privileged partners and a significant asset in attracting and retaining newcomers.

Whether for the French-language services and resources they have to offer, the infrastructure available to them, or their expertise, these communities are well placed to support employers, immigrants, and their families.

It is therefore essential that they have the tools required to build bridges with anglophone and francophone employers and with the provinces in order to make the most of the new immigration system.

Both directly and indirectly, many sectors have an impact on economic development, such as arts and culture, education and immigration. Cooperation among the various sectors and stakeholders and promotion of everyone's areas of expertise are key to the accomplishment and success of many community projects. Representatives from various sectors and federal institutions must work together toward community growth, each bringing their own skills.

On that note, I will conclude, Mr. Chair, by thanking you and the members of the committee for your work in carrying out this study, which I will read with interest.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Mr. Nicholls, you have the floor.

9:55 a.m.

NDP

Jamie Nicholls NDP Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Fraser, several witnesses have appeared before this committee and noted that even after improving the effectiveness of their organization that works with minority official language communities, they found it difficult to deliver their services because they lack stable and adequate funding. We have heard that repeatedly.

In your opinion, what tools do minority official language communities need for their economic development? What are they lacking?

9:55 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

They need to know that government rules are clear and they need to understand them, so that they can do long-term planning.

Moreover, their funding has to arrive on time. In certain cases in the past, the funding for projects would arrive in the fall, whereas the money had to be spent before March 31 of the following year. This was harmful in two respects. First of all, there was famine from March to October, and even until November or December. Then they had to act very quickly. Often they had to hire staff and it was very difficult to find people with the necessary skills in the community. They had to go to the large cities, large centres, in order to find people with the required expertise, which also undermined the economic vitality of the community. Rather than being able to use those funds to support people from the community, they had to find expertise in large urban centres.

Since that time, there has been improvement. I think that 25% of the funding now arrives at the signing. The situation has improved, but I continue to hear that there are delays in the case of certain programs that affect certain institutions.

10 a.m.

NDP

Jamie Nicholls NDP Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

We have heard the same thing from other witnesses, talking about road map programs not receiving the funding on time. It really does hamper the abilities of these organizations that provide the services and also the security of the organization itself.

I would like to go on to the question of the arts and culture sector and its importance to both minority language communities. We see cuts to CBC lately in English Canada. Linden MacIntyre, for instance, has just resigned in order to save the positions of younger employees at CBC. I heard Linden speak at Storyfest in Hudson, in my riding, on his book The Bishop's Man. We are losing really amazing people in the arts and culture sector and in the CBC due to the lack of vision of the government currently, cutting off the funding for CBC and Radio-Canada.

We are starting to hear from French services from Radio-Canada. The people providing the service are actually speaking up, and I am mentioning it to you because it has been mentioned that the English services and people working there are reticent about speaking up and making this a political issue.

But I can testify, as an anglo Quebecer, that all the services that are produced in English Canada are consumed in Quebec on English CBC. The same is true for French Canada. Minority communities in French Canada consume the services that are produced in Quebec for them.

So these cuts are being made: do you think this will make it more difficult to get a quality service in minority communities?

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Nicholls.

Mr. Fraser.

10 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

I think there are two elements to keep in mind.

One is the challenge that families living in a minority situation have in continuing to keep that language alive for themselves and for their children. If you are living in Toronto or Montreal, you may have 150 channels in your language. If you are living in Baie Comeau or Saskatoon, you are very dependent on CBC or Radio-Canada, so it is very important that the service that is available is a service of quality.

The other element is the degree to which it will be possible for CBC and Radio-Canada to maintain the network of services that now exists in those minority communities. I am thinking of the English community network of CBC Radio that serves all of the communities off the Island of Montreal, which is really one of the few ways in which those communities can hear themselves reflected on the radio.

If you go to Saint Boniface, Regina, or other centres, it becomes clear that those local programs are a critical forum for the community to learn about itself and to communicate with other members of the community. They are absolutely critical. You can't take that amount of money out of the system without having an impact on what is going to be produced.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Mr. Williamson.