Evidence of meeting #42 for Public Accounts in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was costs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Kevin Page  Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
  • Sahir Khan  Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
  • Peter Weltman  Senior Director, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
  • Michelle d'Auray  Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
  • Robert Fonberg  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
  • Dan Ross  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
  • François Guimont  Deputy Minister, Deputy Receiver General for Canada, Department of Public Works and Government Services
  • André Deschamps  Commander, Royal Canadian Air Force, Department of National Defence
  • Simon Kennedy  Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
  • Kevin Lindsey  Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer, Finance and Corporate Services, Department of National Defence
  • Tom Ring  Assistant Deputy Minister, Acquisitions Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

May 3rd, 2012 / 8:55 a.m.

Sahir Khan Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Sir, we actually made a number of requests after the finance committee motion to get additional details. We have these actually published on our website.

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

Can you explain the difference between your model and DND's?

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Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Sahir Khan

Actually, sir, we have not been provided with the details of the modelling exercise. The response we had was that they were using information provided by the project office.

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

You don't know the difference between your model and their model?

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Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Sahir Khan

We were not asked to.... Our request from Parliament was not to review their model, sir.

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

My request from me, today, is to explain the difference between your costing model and DND's costing model.

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Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Sahir Khan

We don't know what their model is.

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

You don't know what their model is. Okay. Very good.

In your report, Mr. Page, did you mention fuel, salaries, and other operating costs?

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Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

Sir, when we provided.... When we are working with proprietors in this sort of case, we work with standard definitions of operating and support. We are working from U.S. definitions, which map very closely, as we highlighted in our opening remarks in our text.

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

Did you include fuel?

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Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

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NDP

The Chair David Christopherson

No, Mr. Saxton—

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Conservative

Andrew Saxton North Vancouver, BC

Can you please provide the background information to our committee?

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NDP

The Chair David Christopherson

Order, please.

Mr. Saxton, you're not starting out in the greatest way. You're pushing. I had asked you to come to order. At that moment, if somebody wants to say something, I'll listen to them, but you went in after the wire.

The question will stand. Your colleagues can pick up on it later, but your time has expired.

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Conservative

Joyce Bateman Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Point of order, Mr. Chair.