Evidence of meeting #47 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was keep.

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4:50 p.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

Non-restricted.

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

Okay. Yes.

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NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

That's where we have such a clear and simple answer. So you do think that it would be recreating it through a back door?

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

Yes.

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NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

Where is the criminal offence that used to be there with the gun registry, and so doing by your CFOs, which I've always understood was the main problem with your CSSA, who's part of your team of advisers and so on?

What was hurting at the time was that they felt criminalized. How come if I go to RadioShack and buy the computer that you talked about or even if I buy a non-restricted gun and they ask for my name, how does it make me feel as if I'm guilty of something? It's just keeping a record. Doesn't it make sense with guns?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

That's the difference between socialist and free enterprise people. You simply don't understand how that stigmatizes the legitimate ownership of a firearm where there is no bona fide reason to keep that record, and so all we're saying—

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

For a car that I buy I should feel as a socialist that—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

All I'm pointing out is that there is a fundamental difference between the way you and I perceive property. You don't believe that anyone owns anything. The state owns it. As a socialist, that's what you believe.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said that, but I do believe that it's nice to keep records of certain things.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Okay. Our time—

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

In any event, there is a fundamental difference between the way you and I view property.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

When you have nothing to say, you go back to the socialists.

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

Let me finish.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Very quickly, we are over time here.

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

All I'm saying is that when you go to someone and say, if you don't keep that record we're pulling your licence, we're pulling your business, you, as a socialist, say, it's just a business.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

And your car?

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Conservative

Vic Toews Conservative Provencher, MB

We believe that is fundamental to the integrity of the person.

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NDP

Françoise Boivin NDP Gatineau, QC

And your car?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you.

We're going to go back now to Madam Hoeppner, please, for seven minutes.

June 19th, 2012 / 4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister. I want to give you an opportunity to just finish your explanation because you're right. In the NDP maybe some of them don't consider themselves socialists, maybe they even go further. Some of them consider themselves communists.

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An hon. member

Oh, come on.

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Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

I think one of yours is a member, or was a member, of the Communist Party.

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An hon. member

Come on.

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NDP

Jean Rousseau NDP Compton—Stanstead, QC

On a point of order, being associated with communists has no relevance over here, absolutely no—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Okay, let's rephrase. I'll take that as a point of order.