Evidence of meeting #4 for Special Committee on Cooperatives in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cooperatives.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Jeff Malloy  Chief Executive Officer and General Manager, Acadian Fishermen’s Co-operative Association Ltd.
  • Bryan Inglis  Vice-President, Agriculture Division, Co-op Atlantic
  • J. Tom Webb  Adjunct Professor, Sobey School of Business, Master of Management in Co-operatives and Credit Unions, Saint Mary's University
  • Dave Whiting  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Co-operative Council
  • Dianne Kelderman  President and Chief Executive Officer, Nova Scotia Co-operative Council
  • Pamela Folkins  General Manager, SNB Wood Co-operative Ltd
  • Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Paul Cardegna

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

But I'm just trying to highlight that there are other programs too. I just don't want people who might be watching this—because this is televised—to think that wow, there is a real disconnect here and that all government programs don't apply to co-ops. I think it's probably a mix of the two. There are probably a good number that do apply, and there are some that don't, and obviously that's where we have to focus effort and focus work.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Blake Richards

Thank you.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Thank you, Chair.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Blake Richards

Thank you very much.

We'll move next to Madame Brosseau, for five minutes.

July 24th, 2012 / 2:15 p.m.

NDP

Ruth Ellen Brosseau Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Thank you.

I really appreciate the time you are spending with us this afternoon. I find that I'm learning so much every day, and it's just amazing. This is very valuable information.

I just want to say that we can all agree that co-ops are successful, but when it is said that co-ops are successful and do not need any more government support, I think that's wrong. The cuts to the CDI will really hurt the start-up of new co-ops and the potential future success of them, especially with these difficult economic times we're in.

It makes me really think about the future and the relationship the federal government has with the provinces. Do you think it's adequate? What do you see as the future relationship between the federal government and the provinces? Are we doing enough?

Dianne, could you comment on that?

2:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Nova Scotia Co-operative Council

Dianne Kelderman

Sure. I'm not sure I can comment on whether the federal government and the provinces should have a different kind of relationship, but they certainly should be connected and supporting what's going on from an economic and social perspective in the provinces. If I use our health care venture as an example, then health care is a provincial jurisdiction but there is a lot of federal impact and involvement in health care. There has to be commonality and understanding and support around that.

I think the more we can combine and understand what's going on at both levels, the better. If we have federal programs that are being implemented provincially, and if we use ACOA as just one example—not to pick on ACOA, because they've been a terrific resource for the Atlantic region—if the federal government is implementing those kinds of things in the provinces, then there has to be a lot of collaboration, and a lot of understanding.

It can't be—which I think it has been far too often—a “them” and an “us”. It has to be, to use the word, a collaborative, cooperative kind of venture. So it has to be the feds, the province, and the players, the stakeholders, whether it's cooperatives or private industry or social enterprise industry. It has to be a collaboration of all three, because otherwise we're not going to maximize the opportunity and we're going to be butting heads.

2:20 p.m.

NDP

Ruth Ellen Brosseau Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Exactly.

I was really interested by the HealthConnex. I really think it could have great benefits. There are great benefits already, but I think it's something that could maybe be emulated and used in other provinces. I wonder, do you think this model could be repeated, and should this model be repeated in other—

2:20 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Nova Scotia Co-operative Council

Dianne Kelderman

Absolutely. That's our goal; that's our intent. That's our business plan. It's to replicate first across Atlantic Canada with our cooperative and credit union partners, then to replicate nationally. We're already working with The Co-operators, as a matter of fact, on a pilot initiative. So it can be replicated. I think one of the beauties of our sector is that we're all about sharing best practice, sharing what works in one region and hoping it will take root and work in other regions.

This particular health care venture I think is a really unique opportunity for our sector, for communities, and for the country as a whole. Everybody is talking about health care, everybody's talking about the cost of health care, everybody's talking about the amount of the budget that goes to health care, but nobody's interested really in coming up with new out-of-the-box, community-owned solutions. We are. It's not going to be the panacea. It's not going to answer all the issues. But I think it should be supported and embraced as community and Canadians saying we want to be a part of the solution and here's an opportunity for us to do so.

Currently, the system, the thinking, and the policies are very much against that and don't engage or support that kind of thinking. If we want to make changes in health care or education and the other kinds of things, then this is absolutely where we need to go.

2:20 p.m.

NDP

Ruth Ellen Brosseau Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Pamela, could you elaborate maybe on some challenges you have in the forestry industry and what sets you apart or what helps, being a cooperative? Can you just explain some of the challenges you've had in being a cooperative and what sets you apart from a private company?

2:20 p.m.

General Manager, SNB Wood Co-operative Ltd

Pamela Folkins

Setting us apart, I think we draw on a larger pool of expertise. We're not scared to say we don't know. We're willing to work together towards improving things for each other; therefore, we're learning together. We truly believe we shouldn't reinvent the wheel if things are working. Continuous review and improvement are so, so important. Education and continuity have got to happen, or this country is going to suffer more.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Blake Richards

Thank you.

Mr. Gourde, you have five minutes.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank the witnesses for being with us this afternoon. Their input is quite enlightening.

I am very familiar with the cooperative world in Quebec. I was glad to hear you talk about the history of cooperatives in the Atlantic provinces.

Over the past 25 years, Quebec has seen many cooperative mergers, whether it be savings and credit unions or farming cooperatives in the regions. Small cooperatives would join forces with two others, then four.

Have you seen a similar trend in the Atlantic provinces in recent years?

2:20 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Nova Scotia Co-operative Council

Dianne Kelderman

It's a trend more on the credit union side, where financial institutions are coming together for economies of scale. We see it more on that side than on other sides, whether it's agriculture or manufacturing or tourism or transportation, those kinds of things. Those are still fairly independent, locally owned industries. We probably haven't seen it to quite the extent that you have in Quebec.

Mergers in the co-op world are a little different, in that entities come together and merge for economies of scale, for the provision of better business services, for more cost efficiency, those kinds of things. But the enterprises are still owned by the individuals involved, by the local community members, by the constituents in the communities, so they're not big conglomerates, so to speak.

2:20 p.m.

Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Co-operative Council

Dave Whiting

If I might add, there comes a time in some industries when you have to get bigger or you're going to be run out of the business. The dairy industry on the island was a prime example. ADL is a combination of co-ops that merged, if you will. It's a little bit of a modified co-op, in that you have to be an operating dairy farmer to belong, which only makes sense. But that's an example of what you're talking about. It became a necessity because of all the.... There was Neilson up in Ontario and its big new plant in Georgetown, and the American dairies. It becomes necessary to join something together just for the benefits of the operation.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Ms. Folkins.