Evidence of meeting #52 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was families.

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Jacquie Maund  Coordinator, Campaign 2000

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

I call the meeting to order.

We have before us Ms. Jacquie Maund, coordinator of Campaign 2000. We will go for up to an hour. Jacquie got a little concerned that I was going to give her so much time, but she'll be speaking for ten minutes.

The procedure is that the committee members will question the witness, and then she'll get some time to wrap up.

Ms. Maund has notes in English only; therefore I'm not distributing them. But if anybody wants to get them from Ms. Maund, they're welcome to.

Material in both languages is being distributed to everyone. We have a publication from Ms. Maund, “Stacking the Deck”, in both English and French. We'll keep it as reference material.

With that, Ms. Maund, please start. Thank you.

3:35 p.m.

Jacquie Maund Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Good afternoon, everyone. I'm happy to be in Ottawa to speak to you this afternoon. My name is Jacquie Maund, and I'm the coordinator of Ontario Campaign 2000.

Campaign 2000 is a national non-partisan coalition of over 120 organizations across the country that is committed to ending child and family poverty in Canada. Our name comes from the 1989 unanimous House of Commons resolution to end child poverty in Canada by 2000. Each year, on the anniversary of that resolution, we produce a report card of the latest statistics on child and family poverty in Canada. Our numbers come from Statistics Canada. The most recent data, from 2004, are the numbers I'll refer to this afternoon. I brought a copy of that report for you.

We use the pre-tax, low-income cutoff from Statistics Canada as the definition of poverty: the pre-tax LICO. Our findings show that poverty rates are consistently higher among female-lone-parent-led families, so we appreciate the opportunity to present to this committee at the hearings on women and economic security.

I would like to start by summarizing some of the findings in this report card on child poverty in Canada. It shows that approximately 1.2 million children are living below the poverty line; that's equivalent to about one in every six children. Over the past 25 years the poverty rate of children in Canada has never dropped below that rate of 1989, which was 15%. We've never actually achieved a lower rate of child and family poverty since this resolution was made.

Our findings show that economic growth is not solving our child and family poverty problem in Canada. Despite very strong growth over the past few years, Canada's child poverty rate has remained stalled at about 17% or 18%. We see a growing proportion of working poor families. One-third of low-income children in Canada have at least one parent in the workforce working full time, full year, and yet that family is not able to earn sufficient income to lift them above the poverty line. That number is up from 27% twelve years ago, so there's an increase in terms of the number of working poor families.

We also know that public programs make a difference in reducing child and family poverty. If we did not have programs like the Canada child tax benefit and others, our poverty rates in 2004 would have been 24%, not 17%. Government programs do make a difference.

I'd like to talk a bit more about female-lone-parent families, who are particularly vulnerable to poverty. Poverty rates are disproportionately high among female-led families. Approximately 52% of all low-income children in Canada live in families headed by lone mothers. Yet according to the 2001 census, only 15% of all Canadian children are in female-lone-parent-headed families. They are disproportionately high among that segment of our population.

When we talk about poverty, we also want to highlight how poor people are and how far below the poverty level the average family is. What our statistics show is that the average two-parent low-income family would need an additional $10,400 per year just to bring them up to the poverty level. If we look at female-lone-parent families, they're slightly better off. The average female-lone-parent-led family would need an additional $9,400 to bring them up to the poverty level. Our numbers indicate that those figures have not changed much since the early nineties. So again, despite strong economic growth, we have not seen much of a reduction in the depth of poverty that these families are living in.

If we look at families receiving social assistance, of the total number of children in those families, 71% are in families headed by lone mothers. That's equivalent to about 339,000 children across the country who are living in female-lone-parent families that are receiving social assistance. The vast majority, over 90%, of those lone-parent families are typically led by women.

I'll move now to some of the reasons behind our high child poverty rate and speak about those, trying to focus a little on the particular issue of female lone parents.

Campaign 2000 talks about two main reasons behind the persistence of a high child and family poverty rate in Canada. Those are first, the weakened social safety net in our country, and second, changes in the labour market over the past couple of decades.

When parents are unable to be in the workforce and are not eligible for employment insurance, social assistance—welfare—becomes the program of last resort. The work of the National Council of Welfare shows that welfare incomes are far below the poverty line. For example, the welfare rates for families with children reach only 55% to 60% of the poverty line.

Despite increased government spending on child benefits, specifically in 1998 with the introduction of the Canada child tax benefit, most families with children have seen little improvement if any in their income situation when they're relying on social assistance. Part of the reason is that social assistance rates have not kept up with inflation and are inadequate, and also that many provinces continue to claw back part of the national child benefit supplement.

Welfare rules stipulate the amount of income recipients are allowed to keep. For example, for female lone parents, typically, if they're able to get child support payments from their spouse, that money is deducted from their social assistance cheques. They're not allowed to keep it.

Employment insurance no longer provides a safety net for the majority of workers who are temporarily unemployed. As of 2004, only about 44% of people who were unemployed were actually receiving employment insurance, compared with 75% ten years ago. Those are some aspects of the weakened social safety net.

Looking at the labour market, we find that despite strong job creation and low unemployment, more and more families are working, but they're not able to get jobs with sufficient pay, benefits, and hours to lift their families above the poverty line. Low wages are part of the reason behind that.

One in every four jobs in Canada pays less than $10 an hour. If we look only at full-time jobs, one in every six full-time jobs is low-wage work paying less than $10 an hour. Women are more likely to be found in low-wage jobs than men; 22% of women are in low-paid jobs, compared with 12% of men. Women earn approximately 71% of what men earn for full-time, full-year work.

Increased education does not make up much more of the difference. It comes up to about 74%, I think, if you look only at people with similar education levels.

So low-wage work is part of the reason behind disproportionately high poverty rates.

Then, if we look at the nature of work, non-standard, precarious employment now makes up 37% of all jobs in Canada, compared with 25% in the mid-1970s. When we talk about precarious work we're talking, for example, about part-time work, temporary work, contract work, and self-employed jobs.

The vast majority of part-time workers, 70%, are women. People who are in contract, temporary, and self-employed jobs are not covered by employment standards legislation, so workers in those jobs are at higher risk of unpaid wages, of wages below the legal minimum, and of unpaid work for statutory holidays and overtime. If we look at who is most typically in those kinds of precarious jobs, it is women, new immigrants, and visible minorities.

Looking at child care, we know from our work that access to affordable, good-quality early learning and child care is a key pathway out of poverty to both enable parents to receive training and get jobs and also to ensure that children's well-being is stimulated in their early years and that they're well prepared for school.

Canada has one of the highest rates of labour force participation by women in the OECD. There are about three million children who have a mother in the paid labour force, yet there are fewer than 800,000 regulated child care spaces in Canada. Those figures are for 2003.

I have a reference to a study—I have left you copies—that looks specifically at lone mothers, where we found that access to subsidized, regulated child care was critical to their ability to obtain and to maintain employment.

I'd like to conclude with five recommendations aimed at the federal level.

One, we should ensure effective child income benefits. The Canada child tax benefit is scheduled to reach its maximum of $3,243 this July. Campaign 2000 calls for a Canada child tax benefit of $5,100 per child per year. There needs to be an assurance of no clawbacks at the provincial level.

Two, we call on the federal government to create a system of early learning and child care programs in consultation with the provinces; to come to new bilateral and multilateral agreements that represent the interests of Canadians; and to direct funding to building a national system that's regulated, high-quality, accessible, and affordable.

Three, we want to see encouragement of good jobs at living wages. We call for the federal government to establish a minimum wage of $10 an hour, indexed to inflation. This, in combination with an improved Canada child tax benefit of $5,100, would bring, for example, a single mother with one child approximately up to the poverty line. We also call for the federal government to strengthen the Canada Labour Code--as recommended last October by Harry Arthurs, the federal commissioner--and to restore eligibility for employment insurance to address the significant declining coverage.

Four, expand affordable housing. Canada is one of the few countries in the world without a comprehensive affordable housing strategy with permanent funding.

And five, support affordable and accessible post-secondary education and training. We know that the lack of financial assistance for training programs and the lack of access to subsidized training make it very difficult for lone parents, overwhelmingly women, to move off social assistance and get out of the cycle of poverty.

Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Thank you very much.

We will go to the first round of questions.

Ms. Minna, seven minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

First of all, thank you.

I've worked with and met with your organization for many years. To be honest, it's hard for me to ask a question, because I agree with what you say. I agree with the solutions. I was very involved when the child benefit was initially established. It was meant to grow over time. I was very involved, with my colleagues, on the agreement that was struck with the provinces in terms of the early education and child care program across this country. And of course we were very busy building towards a housing strategy and so on, which is really no longer there.

I agree with you on the $5,100, no question. I believe our leader, Mr. Dion, has already made it public that this is something he would do. But he didn't say $5,100, he said $5,000. He's already made a commitment to reinstate or to establish national early learning and child care. I know he's made a commitment to reinstate the Government of Canada's federal $10 minimum wage. While it doesn't necessarily affect the provinces directly, because we don't have jurisdiction, it does set the bar at where I think we need it to be. That needs to be there.

Your other points are all well taken. I want to ask you a couple of other questions that may flow out of some of this. As I said, I don't quibble with any of this.

As to restoring the EI, extending it to self-employed, I think this is important. You could tell me some more about that. I don't know if you've read the pink book we had; maybe I'll send you a copy.

If we were to raise the personal exemption to $10,000 or $15,000--let's say $10,000 initially--whereby the taxes aren't actually paid since it's a personal exemption, how far would that go to assisting? That's in addition to the things you've mentioned. For me there are a number of things at the core of it--the child benefit, early learning and child care, and a national housing program, at the very minimum. Those three are fundamentally important. Of course, the fourth is the wage increase.

In terms of the last two budgets, could you tell us about the measures in them, about where they help and where they don't? How do they fit into this picture, into the recommendations you've made to us today? And if things need to be changed, where do they need to be changed?

3:50 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

Just to comment on your comment in terms of raising the tax exemption level, I would say the recommendations we've made would certainly be a higher priority for us than raising the exemption level, because many low-income people don't pay taxes because they don't earn enough money to pay taxes. A tax break, a tax cut, doesn't really benefit them.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

I agree with you. I just wanted to get a handle on that. Okay.

3:50 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

That would be my comment on that.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

What about the tax credit of the last—

3:50 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

The working income tax benefit?

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

No, the tax credit, which is $2,000, but it's $310. A certain number of families missed out altogether. There's a gap. If you're making $21,000 as a single mom, you don't fit under the work income supplement because it maxes at $12,000. You don't receive the $310 either because you're below that. This is the group I think you're talking about. I'm going by the Caledon Institute research, which shows it leaves a family or a woman, especially a single mom making between $22,000 and $12,000, with absolutely nothing coming in.

3:50 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

I think you've answered the question. Caledon has done the more detailed analysis on that gap, so I would just defer to their work and reiterate that the recommendations we make would be our highest priority, certainly.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

What would you do with the $1,200 that was given in the previous budget? It's called universal child care, but it really isn't. You and I know it's an income support. My suggestion is to add it to the base of the child benefit. I don't know. What would you do with that?

3:55 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

It could be. Ideally, we would like the moneys that are being spent on that program to be directed to build a universal, accessible, affordable, national child care system. We're talking about child care. Let's build the spaces, because you don't get a space with a piece of money; you're still on the waiting list.

That would be our focus there. Ideally, we would like to see that happen, plus the Canada child tax benefit be increased to $5,100. The universal child care allowance, of course, is only for children under six, and it's not income dependent. Building up the Canada child tax benefit we think is a fairer way to do it. It's an income-tested benefit and it goes to all parents with children under 18.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

To what extent is your organization concerned about whether the agreement with the provinces on a national child care program be entirely for not-for-profit or allow flexibility?

3:55 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

From our perspective, it's very important that it be for not-for-profit child care--regulated, high-quality, not-for-profit child care, and that there would certainly be strings attached to that federal money that flows to the provinces.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

My only other question—I'm probably running out of time very quickly.... I obviously support, and we have supported, a national child care program. I call it an early education and early development program. One of the things I've suggested.... Ontario was calling it the best start program, and they were beginning to establish it in the schools as part of a continuum of early development, as well as a child care program, as well as a drop-in for stay-at-home moms, for early years. Do you see that as being a feasible way of approaching this?

3:55 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

Definitely. When we talk about a universally accessible child care program, so parents have the choice, if they're in the workforce, if they're receiving training, they have the comfort of knowing there's a space there for their child. If they're a stay-at-home parent, but they want their child to benefit from the stimulation of early learning programs, they have the possibility of enrolling their child part-time or whatever.

It's building a system that is of high quality, that is available to all, and that will benefit children. We know that from the studies in the OECD.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Thank you.

We'll now go to Madame Deschamps.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

First, please allow me to welcome you to the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. You spoke to us about child poverty. If there are poor children, then it is logical to assume that there are poor parents as well. Generally speaking, women are more likely to be living in precarious financial circumstances.

Many women are single parents. In 2001, the poverty rate among single mothers under the age of 65 was 42%, compared to 19% for single fathers and 9.5% for married couples with children. It is extremely difficult for single mothers to save money. The problem is even worse among aboriginal single mothers and those who were not born here.

Is the current government doing enough to devise measures or create policies that would enhance their financial security? In providing a taxable universal child care allowance, is the government doing enough to improve the precarious financial situation of a large number of households, including single-parent families?

4 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

Do I think the universal child care allowance is satisfactory to help parents? No. And I think the example in Quebec shows us that a universally accessible child care system at a very reasonable price has been very successful, both in terms of supporting women moving into the workforce, and generating increased tax revenue that is now being used to help pay for the program. Some specific research on this has come out recently that analyzes the Quebec program in that way.

Our work shows that building a system of child care that's accessible and affordable for all is a much more effective way of supporting parents, particularly low-income mothers, in their search for training and employment. That's in the report I referred to.

I have a copy in French. It means something like "stacking the deck".

4 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

A universal child care network in Quebec provides children with a system that takes their development into account. There are various programs provided to children in Quebec's child care system: they have a stimulating environment, they learn to socialize, and if they have problems or some type of deficiency because of their home life, these can be more easily detected, etc. I am proud that my children were able to benefit from this system, and I am happy to know that other children are deriving the same benefits today.

As for employment insurance, the current program is rather restrictive. Generally speaking workers have a hard time qualifying for EI because the criteria have been tightened up. The program seems to be even more discriminatory towards women, since they often depend on seasonal work and their employment situation is unstable. Often, they don't have the required number of hours to qualify for EI. According to the statistics, only 33% of women manage to qualify under the current system.

For years now, we have been asking for improvements to the plan to reflect the type of job that is becoming the norm among a greater number of workers. Moreover, a bill is currently before the House, and it will be given third reading this week, but will probably not receive royal assent; in the bill there is a clause relating to self-employed workers. Self-employment is growing, since 16% of the labour force is made up of people who work for themselves.

That is another measure that could improve the financial security of workers, particularly women.

4 p.m.

Coordinator, Campaign 2000

Jacquie Maund

What is this bill proposing in terms of self-employment?

4 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Bill C-269 includes a provision that would allow those who are self-employed to voluntarily contribute to the EI plan with the creation of a system for that purpose.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

You have 30 seconds. It would be nice if you didn't ask another question.

4:05 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Have you anything to add, Ms. Maund?