Evidence of meeting #25 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gap.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alison Hale  Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
François Nault  Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Robyn Benson  National President, Executive Office, Public Service Alliance of Canada
Seema Lamba  Human Rights Program Officer, Membership Programs Branch, Public Service Alliance of Canada

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Good afternoon and welcome to the 25th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. We are continuing our study on the economic leadership and prosperity of Canadian women.

I want to let the members and guests know that, since a vote will be held today and the bells will sound at 5:15 p.m., the first panel of witnesses will be here from 3:30 p.m. to 4:15 p.m., and the second panel will be here from 4:15 p.m. to 5:15 p.m.. So by the time the bells ring, we will have had an opportunity to hear all the presentations and to discuss with the witnesses.

During the first hour, we are hearing from two Statistics Canada representatives. Joining us are Alison Hale, Director, Labour Statistics Division, and François Nault, Director, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division.

The two of you have 10 minutes for your presentation.

The floor is yours.

3:30 p.m.

Alison Hale Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Merci.

I hope everybody has a copy of the presentation in front of them, because I'll walk you through it.

Good afternoon. We're very happy to be here. There is nothing Statistics Canada likes better than talking about the data.

I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak with you on a subject relevant to your study on economic leadership and prosperity of Canadian women.

In today’s presentation we will be focusing on Canadian women in the labour market, providing information on some basic labour market indicators, including wage rates, union coverage, and the characteristics of self-employed women. Generally, except for one slide where it's indicated, all the information comes from the labour force survey.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Ms. Hale, can you tell us what the chart lines represent?

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Thank you.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

Yes, I will point out what slide I'm talking about and provide explanations.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Thank you.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

I'm going to the second slide, which is basically gives a general overview of the participation of women in the labour force. The blue is the participation rate for men, and the red is the participation rate for women.

If you look at the women's participation rate, I'm sure it is not a surprise to the group.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Sorry, but the document we have is in black and white, and we cannot distinguish between the line representing men and the one representing women.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Ms. Hale, you can simply tell us whether you are talking about the top or the bottom line.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

You want me to tell you whether the line is on top or at the bottom.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

For instance, you can tell us that the top line represents men, and so on.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

That will be a great help to us.

What I just said will not affect your floor time.

Go ahead.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

The line on top is the participation rate for men, and the line on the bottom is the participation rate for women.

If you look at it, because the interest of this group is on women, focusing in on the women, you can see that from the mid-1970s, which is when we had comparative data available, employment rose fairly steadily up until about the early 2000s. Since then it's been fairly stable at about 62% of women 15 years of age or over now in the labour market.

I'll go to the third slide.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Over what age?

3:30 p.m.

Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

It's 15 years of age and over. So, generally, when we're looking at people in the labour market, we're looking at those 15 years of age and over, unless we say otherwise.

So here we wanted to look at women overall. This is, again, looking at employment rate. The top line is men. The bottom line is the women. So we're looking at the employment rate for men. Basically, we put a little circle to show what happened in the most recent recession. What you generally find for employment, often it will go down during a recession and then go back up.

What we saw in this most recent recession, for women, yes, the employment rate went down. It went down less than it did for men. So in that little circle you see a 3% drop for the men at the top line, and a 1% drop for women. So while yes, they both were impacted by the recession, it was less for women than men.

So now I'll focus more on women's characteristics themselves, and look at graph number four. Here I'm looking at all women 15 years of age and over. The top line is the proportion of women who are working full-time. The bottom line is all women who are working part-time. If you look at the top line, you can see that the proportion of women working full-time has been increasing fairly steadily. There are a few ebbs and flows with the economic cycle, but in general women working full-time has been increasing up until about 2006, and then it's flattened out at about 42% to 43% of all women working full-time. So we're not looking at just participation, but the population 15 years of age and over.

For working part-time, it's been fairly steady since about 1990. For about the last 20 years, 15% of all women worked part-time, which means less than 30 hours per week. About 75% of those women who worked part-time are working part-time by choice. About 25% of women who are working part-time are working part-time because they cannot find full-time work due to business conditions. There's no full-time work because of business conditions, or because they couldn't find work of over 30 hours.

The next slide, number five, I don't think will be news for the committee. Looking at wages by occupation, overall women have a lower wage than men in all occupational groups. These are the major occupational groups in Canada, in 2013. So the top bar in each graph is women. The bottom is men. Probably many members weren't part of the committee back in 2010, but we did do a presentation back then looking at the gender wage gap.

In general, these are just raw numbers comparing things, but if you control for those experiences in the labour market and the types of jobs, in general, even once you control for everything you observe, you'll find that women's wages are about 90% that of men, even when you control for years in the labour market, work experience, and different types of education as well.

The next slide is union coverage rate. This is something where there's been a switch between men and women. At about 2005, the lines overlap so the one that starts at the bottom on the left side is women, and the one that starts higher up but going down is the union coverage rate for men. Generally, the union coverage rate of men has been decreasing fairly steadily over time, whereas for women it's increased a bit more in the latter part of the last 10 years. That's because women tend to work in areas that have a higher rate of unionization, in particular the public sector. So the public sector has over 70% of their employees unionized, versus 20% in the private sector. So the fact that women tend to be concentrated in education, health care, as well as public administration...they have a higher rate of unionization.

Turning to the graph on slide 7, men are shown in the top line and women in the bottom line. Here we're looking at the rate of self-employment: one in eight women were self-employed in 2013 compared with one in five men. So more men are self-employed than women.

It increased for women fairly steadily for awhile. It often tends to drop in an economic cycle, and then, depending on the economy, it will increase again. You saw an increase in the nineties. When the economy gets good, some people leave self-employment and go into a paid worker situation. It's been very steady since the late nineties that about 13% of women are self-employed.

We're zeroing in on the self-employed here because we thought this would be of interest to the committee. We found that in 2013 just over three-quarters of women entrepreneurs worked on their own with no help. That's the unincorporated. Basically, when we're looking at self-employed, they can be split into various categories. You have self-employed people with an incorporated business, with and without paid help, or an unincorporated business, with and without paid help.

Generally we find that 60% of self-employed women tend to be in that category of unincorporated business with no paid help. If you're looking at self-employed women with no paid help overall, it's about 76%, but for men it's about 64%. So there is a difference between the two.

In slide 9 we're zeroing in on the approximately one million women who were self-employed in 2013. Looking at the top ten occupations, in general most self-employed women tend to be in the service industry, at almost 90%. The largest group is made up of early childhood educators. If you combine that with babysitters, about 10% of women are either in child care or early child care education.

Slide 10 looks at those self-employed women with employees. These are women who are self-employed, they own a business, and they have their own employees. The portrait of the occupations does change when you start looking at this group. About 15% of this group are retail trade managers. They basically own their own business in the retail trade and have employees. That is by far the biggest group in that area.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Thank you very much, Ms. Hale.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Alison Hale

Do you want me to go to the end?

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

I just have a question about page 12. I believe the taller block on that page would be for men, and the shorter block for women.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Okay.

I'm sure with all of this information in front of the members, they'll be able to ask questions regarding that.

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Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Thank you.

We will move on to questions from committee members.

Ms. Truppe, you have seven minutes.