Evidence of meeting #34 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

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Ann Armstrong  Academic Director, Lecturer, Business Edge, Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto, As an Individual

November 6th, 2014 / 9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Thank you very much. I didn't know I was going to have the opportunity to do this.

Ms. Armstrong, thank you.

I am filling in today on the committee for one of my colleagues who is travelling with the Prime Minister. I'm delighted to be here.

I'm an entrepreneur. I come from a business background, so I am always excited to hear that there are opportunities for women to step into business.

I often speak to young people in schools. When I ask them what they are planning to do after school and they say “go to university and get a job after that”, I say “what about creating a job?” When you have a job, somebody else is going to determine where you work, when you work, and how much you're going to make. The freedom of being in business for yourself and creating your own future, pursuing your own dreams, is nothing less than miraculous.

Whenever I go to ribbon-cutting events in my constituency, it is one of the most spectacular and hopeful things that I could ever do. Next to seeing a new baby, seeing the birth of a new business is seeing someone who is living their dream.

I was cutting the ribbon for a new spa in Newmarket established by a woman who came to Canada about seven years ago. She has taken her skills training and decided that this is what she wants to do. She is living a dream that is uncommon.

I always applaud women. I applaud everybody who goes into business for themselves, but particularly women who take that step and who want to live their dream. It is so exciting.

I want to step back for a minute, though, and ask for your commentary on how we move forward this whole idea of the professions. You would know better than anybody that this is provincial jurisdiction. We may bring the people in as newcomers to Canada, that's our responsibility as the federal government, but under our Constitution, licensing of professionals is purely a responsibility in the jurisdiction of the provinces. It's by Constitution. No one wants to open the Constitution and have that debate.

Oftentimes we see that it is restricted even more by the associations of the professionals. In Ontario, I know that the foreign-trained doctor program, for instance, takes in about 200 people per year. It's purely academic; it's based on academic ability.

However, there needs to be some relaxation. I agree with you that there needs to be some negotiation. If you come from a country, Germany, for instance, or France, or England, I wouldn't have any problems going to have a surgery in any of those countries.

Is there some negotiation we can start to make with these professional associations, even across Canada, where we can say, “Look, you're trained in Ontario. For goodness sake, your licence ought to be acceptable in Newfoundland”, or vice versa?

We currently have some 450 credentialing agencies across this country. How do we start to break down those barriers and then have the negotiations internationally?

9:45 a.m.

Academic Director, Lecturer, Business Edge, Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto, As an Individual

Dr. Ann Armstrong

That's a really difficult question.

One of the things your committee could recommend, at least using the lens of women in particular, is that we start by addressing what processes we can use and what negotiations we can start to make sure this issue of foreign accreditation is addressed fairly for both women and men.

I'm going to guess that internationally educated professionals who are women may feel a little bit diffident about going up against the credentialing organizations, as I'm sure is your experience. Many times when you go to a lab to get blood work and chat with the woman who is taking your blood, you realize she was actually a doctor in her country of origin.

It seems to me that one possible lever would be to focus first on the women's side. But again, I realize that's a little bit tricky because then it's going to be a matter of, what about the others?

I certainly think there's a case to be made that we could start by looking at how to ensure that women are given a fair shake and assessed properly by the credentialing organizations.

I've noticed with internationally educated professionals who are women that some may be more diffident than others to argue for why they should be recognized and treated as doctors, which indeed they have been in their countries of origin.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Hélène LeBlanc

Thank you very much.

The discussion was so interesting and engaging that I gave numerous people time to speak. I think we've gathered a considerable amount of information.

Thank you kindly, Ms. Armstrong, for your presentation and your input. I think everyone on the committee was delighted to learn more about not just your work, but also solutions for enhancing the economic prosperity and leadership of Canadian women, particularly new immigrants.

That brings our time with the witness to an end. The subcommittee will now meet.

Meeting adjourned.