Evidence of meeting #42 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was propane.

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9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Nepean—Carleton, ON

So you just cannot recover the capital cost within any reasonable timeframe?

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Director, Fleet Management, Canada Post Corporation

Steve Clark

We cannot at the current time. It's three times the initial purchase price for the most part.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Nepean—Carleton, ON

Do you expect that will change in the next several years?

9:35 a.m.

Director, Fleet Management, Canada Post Corporation

Steve Clark

I think with more public adoption and the ability to have commercial charging facilities, that will change.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Nepean—Carleton, ON

Okay. Thanks.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Mr. Richards.

June 7th, 2012 / 9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Wild Rose, AB

Thank you.

I have a series of questions for you, Mr. Stewart, on the DieselFlex technology, so I hope we can get through them all. We'll do our best anyway.

Does DieselFlex technology work in any diesel-powered vehicle? I think there has to be some kind of a conversion, obviously, but can it be done in any diesel-powered vehicle, or are there certain restrictions on what types of vehicles it can be used in?

9:35 a.m.

President, Maxquip

Cameron Stewart

We offer two different systems. The DieselFlex system will operate on any turbo-charged diesel engine. The Dieselblend system will operate on any diesel engine that has an electronic control unit on it. The Dieselblend technology integrates with the OEM's electronic control unit for that engine. The DieselFlex does not integrate with the OEM's electronic control unit. It's totally independent. It works off of turbo-boost pressure and exhaust gas temperatures.

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Conservative

Blake Richards Wild Rose, AB

Okay. So for the conversion process, what does that look like? What's involved in that? What's the cost?

9:35 a.m.

President, Maxquip

Cameron Stewart

The cost is typically going to be in the range of $3,000 to $5,000. The main variable there is the size of the propane storage tank that you're adding to the vehicle. In both kits, the LPG is added after the air filter and prior to the turbo, so it blends in with the air, so it goes into the engine with the air, and the diesel fuel goes in through its own current injection process.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Wild Rose, AB

Is there any interest now from OEMs in manufacturing vehicles with that technology already in them, utilizing it right from the beginning, rather than doing the conversion?

9:40 a.m.

President, Maxquip

Cameron Stewart

The only one I'm familiar with is Cummins, which, I think, just recently announced that it's going to be using some of that technology on its stationary industrial engines, larger horsepower engines, which are typically used for power generation in remote sites. I believe they're going to be making that available in the next couple of years.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Wild Rose, AB

Why only in that application is it being looked at, and why not in other uses in vehicles?

9:40 a.m.

President, Maxquip

Cameron Stewart

From an OEM standpoint, I'm not exactly sure. We supply this technology for stationary applications, as well as for on-road and off-road. We put them on farm equipment, diesel-powered tractors, highway tractors, passenger buses. Tyt Transport in Quebec has a few units on the highway. With a stationary engine, I guess maybe they're looking at the convenience of putting in a propane tank. Sometimes it's a little more awkward adding a propane fuel tank to an on-highway vehicle.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Wild Rose, AB

As far as refuelling is concerned, is that one of the barriers? Essentially, you have two different tanks and you refill both and it injects from whichever tank you're using. Is that correct? Does it essentially work that way in terms of refuelling?