Evidence of meeting #9 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was business.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Deepak Chopra  President and Chief Executive Officer, Head Office, Canada Post
David Stewart-Patterson  Vice-President, Public Policy, Conference Board of Canada
Denis Lemelin  National President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers
John Anderson  Research Associate, National Office, Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives
Robert Campbell  President and Vice-Chancellor, Mount Allison University, As an Individual
Bob Brown  Member, Transportation Committee, Council of Canadians with Disabilities
Roy Hanes  Member, Social Policy Committee, Council of Canadians with Disabilities
Benjamin Dachis  Senior Policy Analyst, C.D. Howe Institute
Daniel Kelly  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

So there's a structural problem.

Mr. Stewart-Patterson?

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Vice-President, Public Policy, Conference Board of Canada

David Stewart-Patterson

Something clearly has to give. The only question is, which option or options best meet the needs of Canadians?

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Mr. Campbell?

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President and Vice-Chancellor, Mount Allison University, As an Individual

Robert Campbell

Yes, there's a revenue crisis, and you solve a revenue crisis either by increasing revenue or by decreasing costs. This is one element of the solution: to decrease your costs.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Is this structural problem at Canada Post also a global problem that other countries have been trying to address?

Mr. Anderson.

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Research Associate, National Office, Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

John Anderson

Definitely, and in fact, that's what I take a look at in my study. Every country has addressed this issue, but what I say is that Canada Post has not even looked at the major solution to this crisis.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Mr. Lemelin?

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National President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers

Denis Lemelin

I'm okay with what he said. In some ways, it has to improve.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Is it a global problem, Mr. Stewart-Patterson?

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Vice-President, Public Policy, Conference Board of Canada

David Stewart-Patterson

Yes. We looked around the world too.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Okay.

Mr. Campbell.

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President and Vice-Chancellor, Mount Allison University, As an Individual

Robert Campbell

Yes, absolutely: a universal problem.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Thank you.

The postal transformation initiative was launched by Canada Post a few years ago.

Mr. Lemelin, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers opposed the postal transformation initiative. Is that correct?

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National President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

It's on your website.

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National President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers

Denis Lemelin

No, we didn't oppose the postal transformation. We accepted the postal transformation because we knew that the technology had to change. We object to the way it has been done. That's the difference, because it was really against the health and safety of the workers.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Okay. I appreciate the clarification.

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National President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers

Denis Lemelin

But we were okay with the new motorized letter carrier, because it was a new way to deliver mail.

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

I appreciate the clarification.

The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives on its website bills itself as a “non-partisan research institute”.

In the interests of full disclosure to the public at this hearing, Mr. Anderson, you were director of parliamentary affairs for the official opposition at one time. Is that correct?

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Research Associate, National Office, Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

John Anderson

That is correct, and—

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Okay. Fair enough.

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Research Associate, National Office, Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

John Anderson

—that's not something.... It's something right in the biography that I wrote up on this—

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

Okay. Fair enough.

You've written an opinion on this about the future of Canada Post. Did you submit your opinion directly to Canada Post at any time in 2013 during its consultation process?

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Research Associate, National Office, Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

John Anderson

No, I didn't, because I had not completed the work on the study. I felt that this was not.... For me, it wasn't the best to do that at this—

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Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

When did you complete your work?