House of Commons Hansard #205 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was nato.

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KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Independent

John Nunziata Independent York South—Weston, ON

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Prime Minister.

What is not hypothetical is the fact that Canada is at war without the consent of parliament. As a leading editorial stated today “When it comes to authorizing war, the Liberals don't represent the Canadian people, the entire parliament does”.

I would like to remind the Prime Minister that we still live in a democracy and not a dictatorship. Will the Prime Minister give his consent before dispatching combat ground troops to Kosovo? It is the democratic thing to do. He knows it is the democratic thing to do. Will the Prime Minister give us this undertaking today?

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

York Centre Ontario

Liberal

Art Eggleton LiberalMinister of National Defence

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister has made it abundantly clear numerous times that such a matter, if it happens to come about, would be discussed fully in this House.

Right now we need to remain focused. We need to remain focused on the air campaign to weaken the Yugoslav capability of carrying out ethnic cleansing so that the Kosovar people can return to their homes in peace and security. That is what we should be continuing to indicate and that is what we are determined to do. We will focus on that.

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Reform

Jay Hill Reform Prince George—Peace River, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is very clear that the official opposition supports the NATO action in Kosovo. That is not open to question.

We are not talking about a vote of non-confidence in the government. We are talking about a vote of confidence in democracy. What is this government so afraid of? What is the Prime Minister so afraid of that he will not commit here today to a vote on whether we are going to send ground troops to Kosovo?

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Saint-Maurice Québec

Liberal

Jean Chrétien LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, we have had more debate in the House of Commons on foreign affairs and the deployment of troops. We made an agreement with the opposition to have more debates on that. Now the opposition wants to change the agreement that we agreed on again last week.

Let us deal with the problem we are confronted with today. We want the air strike to work. We want Milosevic to stop the ethnic cleansing and permit the Kosovars to go back home. This is the position of the government and it is the debate we are having at this time.

I hope that the opposition, and I am very happy to see that they are back—

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

The Speaker

The hon. member for Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île-d'Orléans.

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Beauport—Montmorency—Orléans, QC

Mr. Speaker, Canada was to contribute between 600 and 800 troops to a peacekeeping force in Kosovo, the total number required being estimated at 45,000. For land operations like the ones being contemplated, far more ground troops would be needed.

My question is for the Prime Minister. If Canada takes part in a land engagement, does it intend to increase its participation accordingly?

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Saint-Maurice Québec

Liberal

Jean Chrétien LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, the Rambouillet accord, which was accepted by the Kosovars and could have been accepted by Milosevic, called for a Canadian contribution of 600 to 800 troops to a 45,000-member peacekeeping force. That was the government's position at that time.

If another proposal is made to us later, we shall see whether we need to step up our participation. However, the question is a purely hypothetical one at this point.

KosovoOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Bill Blaikie NDP Winnipeg—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the right hon. Prime Minister.

No one is asking for a premature debate on ground forces. No one is asking to debate hypothetical situations. We are asking for our right as a parliament should such decisions be made in the future. All we are asking is to have a vote, not a debate, not a discussion, not a take note debate, not an opposition day, not a vote of confidence, but a vote on a specific proposal by the government should it come to that.

I ask the Prime Minister, what part of the word vote does he not understand? We are just asking for a vote. We vote on all kinds of things in this place. We just want a vote on that, should it come to it.

KosovoOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Saint-Maurice Québec

Liberal

Jean Chrétien LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, we are having a debate. They want me to tell them today what we will do in years, months or days to come. I do not know.

I said that I would seriously consider a vote at that time. I do not want to create an impression that we have divisions in Canada. We are debating the position of Canada in the Balkans today and I want the support of the House of Commons.

If members want to vote they can do it tomorrow morning if they want. I thought the leaders of the parties were speaking for their parties. That is the way the government and parliament operate. It was agreed by all leaders that it was the way to debate these affairs. If they want to change the rules we will sit down with them but not before we are confronted with the problem of ground troops—

KosovoOral Question Period

3 p.m.

The Speaker

The hon. member for St. John's East.

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Progressive Conservative

Norman E. Doyle Progressive Conservative St. John's East, NL

Mr. Speaker, last week the minister of immigration stated that the federal government would cover all the costs of airlifting the 5,000 Kosovo refugees who were supposed to come to Canada. That cost was put at roughly $100 million.

Would the minister be a little more clear? Now that the airlift has been cancelled, would the minister of immigration commit that $100 million to the various relief agencies so they can assist people living in very desperate conditions in these refugee camps?

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Sudbury Ontario

Liberal

Diane Marleau LiberalMinister for International Cooperation and Minister responsible for Francophonie

Mr. Speaker, we have already responded. We have committed $22 million. We will continue to respond and work at the multilateral and bilateral levels. It is too soon to say how much it will cost us, but we know that much more needs to be done.

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

The Speaker

That would bring to a close our question period for today.

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Liberal

Don Boudria Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would seek unanimous consent for the following motion:

That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, during consideration of Government Order, Government Business No. 23, any speech by the Prime Minister or the Leader of the Opposition may be followed by a ten minute period for questions and comments and the House shall continue to sit after 6.30 p.m. this day for the purpose of considering the said Government Order, provided that after 6.30 p.m. the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any motion and provided that, when no member rises to speak or at 8 a.m., whichever is earlier, the House shall adjourn until the next sitting day.

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Independent

John Nunziata Independent York South—Weston, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. It seems to me that any debate with regard to Kosovo is meaningless and undemocratic unless there is a vote at the end of the debate.

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

The Speaker

That is a statement and not a point of order. Does the hon. government House leader have permission to put the motion?

RefugeesOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

Government Business No. 23Routine Proceedings

April 12th, 1999 / 3:05 p.m.

Glengarry—Prescott—Russell Ontario

Liberal

Don Boudria LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, under the provisions of Standing Order 56(1) I move:

That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, during consideration of Government Order, Government Business No. 23, any speech by the Prime Minister or the Leader of the Opposition may be followed by a ten minute period for questions and comments and the House shall continue to sit after 6.30 p.m. this day for the purpose of considering the said Government Order, provided that, after 6.30 p.m. the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any motion and provided that, when no member rises to speak or at 8 a.m., whichever is earlier, the House shall adjourn to the next sitting day.

This is done in an effort to get as many members of parliament as possible to speak to this important issue.

And fewer than 25 members having risen:

Government Business No. 23Routine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

The Speaker

Fewer than 25 members having risen, the motion is adopted.

(Motion agreed to)

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Liberal

Peter Adams LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

The Speaker

Is that agreed?

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

KosovoGovernment Orders

3:05 p.m.

Glengarry—Prescott—Russell Ontario

Liberal

Don Boudria LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

moved:

That this House take note of the continuing human tragedy in Kosovo and the government's determination to work with the international community in order to resolve the conflict and promote a just political settlement for Kosovo that leads to the safe return of the refugees.

KosovoGovernment Orders

3:05 p.m.

Saint-Maurice Québec

Liberal

Jean Chrétien LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, in rising to begin this important debate I first want to pay tribute to members on all sides of the House who have shown resolve and leadership on this very difficult issue: the Minister of Foreign Affairs, whose tireless commitment to resolving this crisis has taken him today to Brussels where he is representing our country at the NATO foreign ministers meeting; the Minister of National Defence who has led an impressive response on the part of our armed forces; the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration who moved her department the instant we received a request from the UNHCR to take in refugees driven from their homes in Kosovo; and the Minister for International Cooperation who has effectively directed her agency to take an international lead in delivering aid and support to the Kosovo refugees.

I wish also to salute the opposition parties in the House. Their constructive approach and their non-partisan attitude have been important examples to Canadians.

I look forward today to hearing the views and concerns of members on all sides of the House because whatever our individual views are about our involvement in Kosovo, we are each guided by our desire to do the right thing for Canada and for the international community.

Indeed, like every other member of the House, like every other speaker who will participate in this debate, this occasion to address the House today fills me with absolutely no joy. Pride, yes, at the courage of the brave Canadian men and women in our armed forces who have entered into action with their comrades from the other NATO nations and who have put their own lives at risk so that thousands can be saved.

Great warmth and deep, deep satisfaction too at the outpouring of generosity and community, of basic decency and humanity from the thousands and thousands of Canadians in every part of this great land who stepped forward to respond to the initial UNHCR appeal for help and haven for the refugees from Kosovo who have been so brutally driven from their land.

Finally, anger and profound rage at the actions of President Milosevic and his regime who have caused this entire crisis, who are still leading a campaign of terror and destruction on innocent men, women and children in Kosovo and who care nothing about the costs or consequences to their own nation.

These are the emotions we all feel, not just in the House but across Canada and around the world. This is a reflection of our values, the values that have built this country, the values that have made this a land of peace and opportunity, a land where we have made diversity not a tool for conflict but a means for a stronger, healthier way of life. These values must always guide our decisions at home and abroad.

As elected officials, as those vested with great responsibility by the men and women of our country, we must always act in a manner that protects and promotes our interest as a nation. We must live up to our obligations as a world citizen, our obligations to the international commitments we make and our obligations to our allies.

It is these three elements, our values as Canadians, our national interest in a stable and secure Europe and our obligations as a founding member of NATO, that led Canada to take arms with its NATO partners. It is because of our values, our national interest and our obligations that we must see the job concluded.

By this time there can only be a very few people who still harbour any illusions about the regime of President Milosevic. For ten years now, he has presided over an unfolding tragedy in the very heart of Europe. For ten years now he has fomented conflicts that have cost hundreds of thousands of lives, displaced millions and unleashed toxic hatreds that will poison that corner of the world for a long time to come. In Croatia. Then in Bosnia.

It was in these conflicts that President Milosevic introduced the obscene new term of “ethnic cleansing” into the modern lexicon. In the last year, the same sickening pattern of violence against a targeted ethnic group has reached another crescendo in Kosovo.

It was President Milosevic and his regime who tripped Kosovo of its autonomy in 1989. Who broke the agreements with moderate Kosovar leaders. Who violated their own commitments of last October to NATO and the OSCE. Who still ignore United Nations Security Council resolutions, including the obligation to bring indicted war criminals to justice before the international criminal court in the Hague.

It was President Milosevic and his regime who began early last year to force Kosovars out of their homes. By the time the Rambouillet negotiations began, there were 260,000 internally displaced persons in Kosovo and Montenegro and 100,000 abroad. By the time the talks collapsed, there were 100,000 more. Now, there are a million or more displaced or exiled Kosovars.

All this before NATO took action. All this part of an obvious plan, and a clear, proven pattern.

The international community made every reasonable effort to find a diplomatic solution. Scores of diplomatic missions were sent to Belgrade. In October, an OSCE verification mission monitored a ceasefire in Kosovo, and worked on the ground to build confidence and solve local conflicts. The peace conference in Rambouillet was held. The Kosovars demonstrated courage by signing a compromise agreement. Only the Yugoslav President remained intransigent. Finally, Ambassador Holbrooke made the final appeals in Belgrade, face to face with Mr. Milosevic.

It was only after all this that NATO was forced to resort to military action. Our goals now are what they were then. The government in Belgrade must stop killing and expelling the Kosovars, withdraw its army and security forces from Kosovo, guarantee the refugees a safe return to their rightful homes, permit an international presence to assure the security of the returning Kosovars, and sign a binding, verifiable peace settlement based on the principles of the Rambouillet negotiations. This is our commitment. It is the commitment of NATO and it is the commitment of Canada as a member of NATO.

It will not happen overnight. It will not happen without more loss of life in the region, including perhaps loss of life for NATO forces, but it must happen.

It is important to understand that Canada is not acting alone. No one country can decide alone on operations or tactics. We are members of a team. We are contributing to a collective effort. And decisions are made collectively.

Since its creation NATO has put into action the painful lesson we learned in two world wars, that peace and stability can only be assured through effective collective security. The continued campaign of terror waged by Belgrade is a threat to peace and security in the heart of Europe. It has already had serious effects throughout the region and it also threatens the many newly emerging democracies in the region.

We had a choice. We could take action now and deal decisively with this threat, or do nothing, evade responsibility and deal in a few months or a few years with the result of our inaction. Europe has done this before, to its great cost and to ours. I do not need to explain which choice would have been more costly and more dangerous.

Last week I had the honour of welcoming our first air crews home from Aviano. Their pride in what they are doing for Canada was obvious. And their skill and courage in dangerous skies is doing all of us proud. Military action is by definition an uncertain endeavour, but I can assure Canadians that we will never enter into reckless action that will put more Canadian lives on the line without full consideration of the consequences.

Come what may, I know that every member of this House will join me in saying that the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces who are delivering the force of our moral convictions deserve the support of all Canadians 100%, and they have it.

I cannot close without talking about the one aspect of this crisis that has lifted our hearts and raised our spirits. The conflict in Kosovo is a depressing reminder of the past. But the generosity and concern that Canadians are showing for the Kosovar refugees is an uplifting reminder of what makes our contry so great.

A week ago, the UNHCR asked Canada to help ease the growing refugee crisis by agreeing to take in Kosovar refugees. The minute the governement agreed to bring in 5,000 refugees, the outpouring from Canadians was nothing short of a phenomenon. And it is still going on.

Toll-free telephone lines and faxes are being flooded with offers of help. Communities are opening their hearts and are eager to open their homes, in that typical Canadian way. The need is great. But our compassion is greater. And on behalf of this House, I want to thank everyone who is pitching in.

If anyone ever wanted a description of what this country is all about, il they ever wondered why we have accomplished so much as a nation, they need only look at that tremendous, spontaneous reaction of people in every corner of this great land.

The UNHCR decided on Friday to change its request and shelter the refugees in countries neighbouring Kosovo. Canadians are helping there too. Providing relief and desperately needed support in coping with this historic tragedy. Brave men and women who are working for non-government organizations and for organizations like the OSCE. They deserve our deep gratitude and thanks too.

Should the UNHCR call on us again, we remain ready to help here in Canada too. We are prepared to handle any request for assistance. I know Canadians are ready, too.

Canada is a peaceful and peace loving nation. A nation that has devoted itself to building a world in shich all people can live in peace. Free from the threat of persecution or violent conquest. A nation that first seeks peacefuls, diplomatic resolutions to conflict. A nation that has shown the world, by example, that people of terrific diversity, from every background and every corner of the world can live together in peace and harmony. That as humans we can learn from each other; and that we can bury ancient hates and grievances and build a new kind of society.

However we are also a just nation that knows that there comes a time when skilful diplomacy and dialogue must be backed up by firmness and resolve, that paralysis and inaction can cause more harm than decisive action, that not to choose is also itself a choice, and this kind of willful blindness is not an option.

To be a bystander on Kosovo today would be to betray our basic values, our national interest and our international obligations.

That is not how Canadians do things. We live up to our commitments and keep our word-all the way down the line.

What is going on there has to stop. If we are to be divided by religion, colour, language and whatnot everywhere in the world, the world will not survive.

We have an occasion to tell the government in Belgrade that this will stop. The homes of the people of Kosovo are there. They have the right to their freedom. They have the right to go to their homes and the Canadian people are with them.