House of Commons Hansard #45 of the 36th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was industry.

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Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

Reform

Monte Solberg Medicine Hat, AB

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question. There is no doubt that in the six years we have been here we have seen all kinds of examples of unbelievable waste by the government.

Every year, in fact four times a year, the auditor general produces reports that lay out all kinds of mismanagement. We must remember also that he has a limited budget. There are only so many departments he can look into at any one time. Certainly the TAGS program comes to mind as one of the most ludicrous, wasteful programs that has ever come down the pike.

I would argue that not only was it wasteful, it was probably one of the most cruel programs I have ever seen, because the government was setting out to train people for jobs that simply did not exist. Whole towns in Newfoundland were trained to be hairdressers. It is ridiculous to give people false hope and then ultimately take that hope away from them and at the same time insult the taxpayers by spending $2.5 billion.

Canadians need a small, lean government, an accountable government, a transparent government, with low taxes. That would ultimately benefit all Canadians because the economy would move faster and citizens would get real jobs that would allow people to provide for themselves and their families and to have the dignity that goes along with that. That is what we need, not a bunch of ridiculous programs that come forward, as we have seen in the past from this government, such as TAGS. We need real jobs. They will come when the government finally figures out that it cannot be the big daddy, the sugar daddy, to everybody and understands that it is the private economy which will create real jobs.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Kamouraska—Rivière-Du-Loup—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Mr. Speaker, the key element is found in the introduction of the report referred to earlier today, which reads as follows:

Recently, an agreement was struck with nine provinces (except Quebec) and two territories (the Yukon and the Northwest Territories) on the main points of new mechanisms as part of the Social Union initiative.

The Bloc Quebecois had the words “except Quebec” added.

Does the hon. member think it is normal to have an agreement on social union in Canada that can be implemented without first consulting Quebec and without its consent? It seems to have become a habit of this federal government to do any number of things by denying the reality of Quebec?

It did so in 1982, with the unilateral patriation of the Constitution, and it is doing it again now, with the social union. I would like to hear the hon. the member on this.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Reform

Monte Solberg Medicine Hat, AB

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the government has failed completely to address the legitimate aspirations of the province of Quebec, as well as other provinces which have sole jurisdiction in many areas, including training and education. It is time for the government not to use just the stick when it comes to dealing with Quebec. We believe that it should use the carrot as well. It is time for a fundamental reform of the federation. If we had that in Canada today we would not have the problem of people agitating to leave the country.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now proceed to orders of the day.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Kamouraska—Rivière-Du-Loup—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe I rose to speak in this debate before the government member. I have a speech to make on this motion and I would have appreciated being recognized since I was already on my feet.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

I have a lot of sympathy for the hon. member, but, after the beginning of a debate on a motion moved by a member of the opposition, it is customary for a member of the government party to respond. This is why I recognized the parliamentary secretary who, as we know, is a government member.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now proceed to orders of the day.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Gauthier Roberval, QC

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. I know you are an expert in procedural matters. As a matter of fact, you just tabled a new book entitled House of Commons Procedure and Practice , which was brilliantly put together by the clerks of the House. I am sure you have noticed that, according to our standing orders, when the Speaker recognizes a member who is rising, that member is supposed to speak.

In this case, not only did the member not rise, but even when the Speaker recognized him, he refused to speak. I rose. Therefore, it seems to me that I should be allowed to speak.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

The member for Roberval surely noticed that the parliamentary secretary hung on every word the Speaker said.

I know he heard what I said, but he was waiting for the interpretation. So I think the parliamentary secretary wants to have the floor.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

Scarborough—Rouge River
Ontario

Liberal

Derek Lee Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I move:

That the House do now proceed to orders of the day.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Committees Of The House
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3:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Committees Of The House
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3:50 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

Committees Of The House
Routine Proceedings

3:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Yea.