Debates of Sept. 25th, 2000

Youth Criminal Justice Act

[Michel Bellehumeur, Bloc, Berthier—Montcalm, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 16

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 5 and 6 on page 2.

[Yvan Loubier, Bloc, Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 17

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 7 to 11 on page 2.

[Michel Bellehumeur, Bloc, Berthier—Montcalm, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 18

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 12 to 18 on page 2.

[Pierre Brien, Bloc, Témiscamingue, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 19

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 19 to 21 on page 2.

[Yves Rocheleau, Bloc, Trois-Rivières, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 20

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 22 to 24 on page 2.

[Christiane Gagnon, Bloc, Québec, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 21

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 25 to 27 on page 2.

[Yves Rocheleau, Bloc, Trois-Rivières, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 22

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 28 to 37 on page 2.

[Anne McLellan, Liberal, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada]

moved:

Motion No. 23

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended a ) by replacing line 30 on page 2 with the following:

“paragraph 41(2)( n ), ( n .1), ( p ) or ( q ), means the pe-” b ) by replacing line 37 on page 2 with the following:

“under paragraph 41(2), ( n .1), ( p ) or ( q ).”

[Christiane Gagnon, Bloc, Québec, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 24

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 1 and 2 on page 3.

[Pierre Brien, Bloc, Témiscamingue, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 25

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 3 to 6 on page 3.

[Anne McLellan, Liberal, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada]

moved:

Motion No. 26

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 6 on page 3 with the following:

“leged to have committed an offence and includes extrajudicial sanctions.”

[Christiane Gagnon, Bloc, Québec, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 27

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 7 to 9 on page 3.

[Michel Bellehumeur, Bloc, Berthier—Montcalm, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 28

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 3 with the following:

““justice” means a justice referred to in section 20.”

Motion No. 29

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 3 the following:

““justice” means a justice of the peace or a provincial court judge, and includes two or more justices where two or more justices are, by law, required to act or, by law, act or have jurisdiction.”

[Stéphane Bergeron, Bloc, Verchères, QC]

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I simply wish to make a brief correction.

From the outset, you undertook the rather fastidious task of reading all the amendments that were duly and legitimately tabled regarding Bill C-3. We are going to begin the report stage study of this bill today. We have, of course, the list of the amendments that are on the order paper but we are told that it is impossible to get copies of the bill.

How can we parliamentarians seriously be expected to do our job in the House if we cannot get copies of Bill C-3? Is it possible to see that we get copies before carrying on?

[The Deputy Speaker]

Each member received a copy of Bill C-3 after first reading, and there are other copies available here in the building. We can get some for the members if there is a problem. Each member's office was sent at least one after the bill was tabled in the House.

No changes were made to the bill during its examination in committee. I believe the committee report contained no amendments, so it is the same bill. Copies are, I believe, available now at the table. If there is a problem for any members in this connection, we can get more. There are some here.

[Michel Bellehumeur, Bloc, Berthier—Montcalm, QC]

Mr. Speaker, I did indeed get a copy of the bill, but you will understand that when a bill is a complicated at this there is more than one person in each MP's office working on it. There being more than 3,000 amendments, you will understand that more than one person in each office is working on such an important bill.

Today the members in this House are going to vote on the amendments without even having the original tool in hand, Bill C-3. For there to be democracy there must be information.

I myself asked a page for a copy of the bill and I do not know whether he found one or not. Some other members of my party did the same and were told there were no more available.

Before resuming work on this bill, I would point out that there is such a thing as a photocopier and if necessary photocopies can be made. We must have Bill C-3 in our hands so that we can seriously pursue our work on it.

I know that you are in agreement with us on this, Mr. Speaker.

[The Deputy Speaker]

The hon. member for Berthier—Montcalm has been a member of this House for a long time and he knows full well that when a bill is being debated in the House there are always copies of the bill available at the table. Today is no exception.

I invite the hon. member to approach the table and get a copy of the bill if he needs one. There are several copies at the table.

[Stéphane Bergeron, Bloc, Verchères, QC]

Mr. Speaker, I understand what you are telling me, but what I fail to understand is that you are telling us to go get copies of the bill ourselves while you are reading the amendments, when we have asked the pages to provide us with copy and were told that none were available.

Maybe a few adjustments need to be made here.

[The Deputy Speaker]

I understand that the members have now received copies of the bill. There are many copies available.

[Michel Bellehumeur, Bloc, Berthier—Montcalm, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 30

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 9 on page 3 the following:

““justice” means a justice of the peace or a person appointed or authorized to act by an Act of the legislature of a province, by whatever title that person may be designated, who has the power and authority of two or more justices, including two or more justices of the peace, to act or who are, by law, required to act or, by law, act or have jurisdiction.”

[Yvan Loubier, Bloc, Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC]

Mr. Speaker, regarding the remarks made by my colleague from Berthier—Montcalm and in response to what you told him, I went to get the seven copies of the bill that were at the center of the table, I distributed them, and we are still missing three copies. Would it be possible to get at least three more copies and maybe more if other members of the House want some?

[The Deputy Speaker]

As I indicated earlier, each member received at least one copy of this bill, probably two, after its introduction in the House. There will be more copies available here, but it is the members' responsibility to bring their own copies of the bill to take part in the debate.

We have many copies of the bill. It will take some patience and some time, but I am sure members will eventually receive another copy of the bill here today.

[Anne McLellan, Liberal, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada]

moved:

Motion No. 31

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended a ) by deleting lines 10 to 12 on page 3; and b ) by deleting lines 41 to 43 on page 4.

[Jean-Paul Marchand, Bloc, Québec East, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 32

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 13 to 18 on page 3.

[Yvan Loubier, Bloc, Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 33

That Bill C-3, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 19 to 26 on page 3.