House of Commons Hansard #84 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was farmers.

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PrivilegeOral Question Period

April 18th, 2005 / 3 p.m.

The Speaker

I am now prepared to rule on the question of privilege raised by the hon. member for Windsor West on Monday, March 21, 2005 concerning a householder mailing to some of his constituents under the frank of the hon. member for Medicine Hat. The mailing, actually a 10 percenter in this case, was critical of the conduct of the member for Windsor West.

I would like to thank the hon. member for raising this matter, as well as for providing the Chair with a copy of the material. I would also like to thank the hon. member for Medicine Hat for his contribution on the issue.

In presenting his case, the hon. member for Windsor West charged that his privileges as a member had been breached when the member for Medicine Hat had used his franking privileges to send a householder to some of the constituents of Windsor West. The hon. member for Windsor West argued that the distributed document contained information that was factually wrong regarding his position on the gun registry and on funding for the RCMP, as well as on his voting record on these matters.

The member pointed out that he could not have voted against the gun registry in committee since he was not a member of the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, and that he had voted against further funding for the firearms registry in the House. He also expressed concerns about the use of tax dollars to spread false information about members, reflecting that this action might be construed as intimidating and deploring the negative effects of this document on his constituents and their opinion of him.

The hon. member noted that he had received complaints from some constituents about the document. This use of the franking privilege, he argued, was a breach of his privileges as a member, and he asked that the matter be referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs for consideration.

In his comments, the hon. member for Medicine Hat noted that there was no attempt to intimidate or threaten the member for Windsor West.

First, I must clarify a technical point about the disputed mailing. It was not sent out using the franking privilege; instead, it went out as unaddressed mail charged by the post office at a bulk rate. Second, I want to explain the circumstances of this particular mailing. My officials inform me that, because of an error in labelling at the post office, the documents in question were sent to the riding of Windsor West instead of the riding of Windsor—Tecumseh.

One might infer from this error that the comments in the document relating to the record of the sitting MP were meant to refer to the hon. member for Windsor—Tecumseh and it might then appear that the inaccuracy of these comments in relation to the hon. member for Windsor West may be attributed to an administrative error rather than to the originator of the document. It seems to me that the Chair cannot determine where such responsibility for inaccuracies should lie.

Nor is the Chair ready to pronounce on whether the document in question, a copy of which has been provided to me by the hon. member for Windsor West, conforms to the guidelines on the content of householders and 10 percenters found in the Members' Manual of Allowances and Services .

The fact is that this document distributed in the riding of the hon. member for Windsor West disseminated information about the sitting member's activities and positions which the hon. member for Windsor West disputes. This may well have affected his ability to function as a member and may have had the effect of unjustly damaging his reputation with voters in his riding.

In this regard, I refer hon. members to a ruling of Speaker Fraser given on October 16, 1986 at page 405 of the Debates . While he did not find a prima facie case of privilege in that particular situation, Speaker Fraser did state that there could be cases where:

--depending upon the content of the communication sent under the frank, it could be a question of privilege if the content worked against the right of Members to free expression and the carrying out of their obligations as Members.

After due reflection on the facts of this case, I must conclude that the hon. member for Windsor West has presented on its face a convincing argument that his ability to function as a member of the House has been interfered with.

Accordingly, I find that the matter raised is of sufficient gravity that a prima facie case of privilege does exist and I invite the hon. member for Windsor to move his motion.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:05 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, in light of your ruling, I move:

That my question of privilege arising from inaccurate and misleading mailings from the Conservative Party Caucus sent to my constituents be immediately referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs for further consideration.

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The Speaker

The question is on the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

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The Speaker

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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Some hon. members

Yea.

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The Speaker

All those opposed will please say nay.

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Some hon. members

Nay.

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The Speaker

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And more than five members having risen:

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The Speaker

Call in the members.

And the bells having rung:

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:05 p.m.

The Speaker

At the request of the chief government whip, the vote on this motion is deferred until tomorrow at the conclusion of the time provided for government orders.

Points of OrderOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, on Thursday, April 14 the Minister of Public Works and Government Services, in answering questions from the official opposition, made frequent reference to a document that he called a review of the books of the Liberal Party and at other times called an audit of the books of the Liberal Party of Canada. He made reference to the authors of the document as being Pricewaterhouse and I believe PricewaterhouseCoopers & Lybrand at different times. Given that the minister of the Crown made reference to the document, I believe he has an obligation to table that document in the House of Commons so that we may have the benefit of viewing the content of the reference that he made.

Having said that, as a point of order, I request that the Chair ask the Minister of Public Works and Government Services to table in the House the document he called the audit or the review of the books of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Points of OrderOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Don Boudria Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is an experienced member of Parliament. He should know that the reference in question is the obligation on the part of the minister to table a document from which he has quoted, not the fact that he has referred to a document. That is a totally different proposition.

Points of OrderOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

The Speaker

I will review the comments made by the Minister of Public Works and Government Services on Thursday as suggested by the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre. I think what the hon. member for Glengarry—Prescott—Russell said is correct in terms of my understanding of the rules, that the document must be tabled on request if the minister quotes from the document.

I will see what he said. If he did quote from the document, I will come back to the House and inform the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre accordingly. Otherwise, we can leave the matter for that check on my part, which I am happy to do. If the hon. member sees something else in the words, I am sure I will hear further from him.

Points of OrderOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

Kings—Hants Nova Scotia

Liberal

Scott Brison LiberalMinister of Public Works and Government Services

Mr. Speaker, I understand the hon. member asked that the PricewaterhouseCoopers and Deloitte reviews be tabled. In fact, they are posted on the Liberal Party website, as they have been for several months, in both official languages. They have been provided to Justice Gomery for his commission's work, as our auditors in fact are working with Justice Gomery's auditors on this.

I would be delighted, in fact, if the hon. member does not have access to a computer, to print off the documents and table them in the House. That would be a pleasure.

Points of OrderOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

The Speaker

I am sure the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre is delighted by the assistance of the Minister of Public Works and Government Services in this case.

Order in Council AppointmentsRoutine Proceedings

3:10 p.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table, in both official languages, a number of orders in council recently made by the government.

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Pat O'Brien Liberal London—Fanshawe, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the first report of the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs entitled, “Procurement of Canada's Victoria Class Submarines”. I note happily that this is a unanimous report. It is accompanied by a supplementary opinion of the Bloc Québécois.

In presenting the report, let me take a moment to thank colleagues of all parties who worked very hard to pursue this topic and to get a unanimous report. On their behalf, I would like to thank our research assistant, Mr. Michel Rossignol, for his outstanding work, as well as the clerk of the committee, Mrs. Angela Crandall, for all of the good efforts she made to help us complete this work.

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Don Boudria Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour of presenting the 34th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, regarding the membership of some committees.

Mr. Speaker, if the House gives its consent, I move that the 34th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be concurred in.

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

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The Speaker

Is there unanimous consent?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

(Motion agreed to)

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

Carol Skelton Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure today to present 10 petitions from thousands of Canadians stating their position to me as a member of Parliament that they want us to retain the traditional definition of marriage and that Parliament recognize their feelings.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Rose-Marie Ur Liberal Middlesex—Kent—Lambton, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I wish to present a petition on behalf of the constituents living in the riding of Lambton—Kent—Middlesex in the Strathroy and Glencoe area. They pray that Parliament define marriage in federal law as being a lifelong union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Bloc

Richard Marceau Bloc Charlesbourg, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is with great pleasure that I am tabling a petition signed by dozens of people across Quebec, who are asking for the repeal of section 43 of the Criminal Code, to make spanking illegal in Canada.