House of Commons Hansard #98 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was budget.

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Message from the Senate
Royal Assent

10:10 a.m.

The Speaker

Perhaps hon. members could continue these discussions outside the chamber. It appears we are getting into a debate on points of order which are not really points of order. It is an attempt to get consent.

Message from the Senate
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10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Stephen Harper Calgary Southwest, AB

Mr. Speaker, I only want to be helpful to the Chair. The government House leader and the Chair will of course know that by what he has done he has ensured no vote on the Atlantic accord for at least a year.

Message from the Senate
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10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Tony Valeri Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to convey to the Chair that once again the Leader of the Opposition has shown his complete misunderstanding for the procedure in this place.

The House resumed from May 10 consideration of the motion that Bill C-48, an act to authorize the Minister of Finance to make certain payments, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

An Act to Authorize the Minister of Finance to Make Certain Payments
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May 13th, 2005 / 10:15 a.m.

The Speaker

When the bill before us was last debated, the hon. member for Edmonton—Leduc had the floor for questions and comments. There remains six minutes in the time allotted for questions and comments to the hon. member for Edmonton--Leduc and his remarks.

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10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask my colleague a short question in regard to this. Since we just passed last year's bill in the Senate, could he explain to us how long it would take to actually see Bill C-43 and Bill C-48 implemented?

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Conservative

James Rajotte Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals have been going across the country saying that if these two budget bills are not passed right away the Atlantic accord will not be fulfilled. Those members know the Senate just passed the last budget bill. That kind of nonsense is not helpful to political debate.

Our leader just stood up and asked for the Atlantic accord to be passed. This is something our leader promised those people in the last election. The Prime Minister was made to feel guilty and was forced, kicking and screaming, to actually fulfill the promise.

The reality is that they want to put this in a budget where different parties cannot accept different things. They do not want to fulfill their promise to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and Nova Scotia. If they were serious about implementing parts of this budget, they would do the smart thing and do what would work with all parties. They would do as we suggested in the first place and break the budget bill into parts which different parties could actually support.

The Atlantic Accord could be put in a different bill where we and, I think, the NDP would support it. We have called for funding for cities. The member for Port Moody has called for this for years and has introduced motions in the House with respect to this. If the Liberals had reintroduced that right after the last election our party, the Bloc and, I am pretty sure, the NDP would have supported it. The government knows this full well and it is playing politics with the budget to an unseen extent, which is unfortunate.

I want to set the record straight. Some people have said that the Conservatives changed their position on the budget so the Liberals had to make a deal with the NDP. The truth is that we had agreed. We even abstained on the main motion on the budget to allow the budget to go forward. We agreed on the original budget implementation bill to allow it to go to committee as long the CIPA amendments were withdrawn. We were going to act responsibly and vote for the things that we supported and oppose the things that we felt were wrong. Suddenly the government flip-flopped and did something unprecedented in Canadian history. The finance minister was completely submerged by the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister ripped up his own budget.

If the Prime Minister were finance minister, what would he have done if Jean Chrétien had done the same thing to him? This Prime Minister was going to resign because advertising contracts were not going to Earnscliffe. Imagine if Jean Chrétien had actually ripped up his budget and signed on the back of a napkin with the leader of the NDP.

In my view, the government has no intention of fulfilling its promises to the NDP. I encourage members of the NDP to actually look at the budget implementation bills. The corporate tax cuts have not been removed and will not be removed. There are so many hedges in the bill that the spending promises that are supposedly in it will not in fact be implemented.

I will get back to the member's original question regarding the spending announcements in the bill. The budget will be passed possibly a year from now in the Senate depending on how fast it goes through the bill. The government should be honest with Canadians and tell them that it has no intention of fulfilling any of the commitments it is making across the country.

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10:15 a.m.

Scarborough—Guildwood
Ontario

Liberal

John McKay Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, it is a pity the hon. member has not actually read Bill C-48. His commentary seems to be on something in Bill C-43. If Bill C-43 does not pass next Thursday, he has only to look in the mirror to see why it did not pass.

I hope the member read Bill C-48 prior to this debate. I want to know from the hon. member which part of Bill C-48 he is against. Is he against the $1.6 billion in additional funding for affordable housing? Is that what he and his party stand for? Are they against that? Is he against the $1.5 billion to enhance post-secondary education? Are he and his separatist buddies against that? How about the $900 million in environmental moneys? Are he and his separatist buddies against that as well? What about the $500 million for additional core needs? Is he against that?

Those are the core elements of Bill C-48. The hon. member appears not to have read the bill. I would like to know what his party actually stands for. I know what it stands against.

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10:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Rajotte Edmonton—Leduc, AB

Mr. Speaker, the parliamentary secretary says that I have not read the bill. I have read the bill and it took me all of about two minutes because Bill C-48 is two pages. Boy, it was quite a bill. We are talking about $4.6 billion in spending and the bill is a page and a half long. That is pathetic. That is no way to govern this nation in a fiscally responsible way.

The member asked about the commitments in this budget. Why were they not in the first budget? Why were they not discussed at the finance committee in prebudget hearings?

He asked what the Conservative's position is on the environment. Look at the Liberal's position on Kyoto. In the budget introduced on February 23 there was $5 billion for Kyoto. A month later, no, we actually need $10 billion for Kyoto even though emissions have gone up under this government. That is no Kyoto plan.

The member asked what we would do. We would actually take some initiatives, invest in technology and work with industries like the auto industry. Here is a couple of ideas. Why--

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10:20 a.m.

The Speaker

The hon. member's time has expired.

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10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Niagara Falls, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The hon. member for Prince George—Peace River was on his feet and would like to address the House.

I move:

That the member for Prince George—Peace River be now heard.

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10:20 a.m.

The Speaker

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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10:20 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

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The Speaker

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.