House of Commons Hansard #100 of the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Finance—Main Estimates 2008-09
Business of Supply
Government Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, the member opposite is making an assumption that is nonsensical, and that is some sort of fifty-fifty balance must be achieved on every budget item. Of course there are some budget items that favour some people in certain occupations, for example, truck drivers who happen to be more commonly male than female. The gender analysis shows that, yes, it is a more male gender favourable tax provision. Then the government has to decide whether to do it or not. Then there are other tax provisions that are more favourable to women as a group than to men. Therefore, these are matters that we look at during the course of the budget preparation.

However, to make the assumption that there is some kind of magic fifty-fifty here is out of touch with the world.

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Liberal

Maria Minna Beaches—East York, ON

Mr. Chair, I am not looking for fifty-fifty, but I am glad to hear the minister admit that despite the propaganda that this is supposed to help low income Canadians, it does not, especially women. It is good to get that on the record.

The other thing that has also hurt women is the $1,200, which is supposed to be a universal child care program. In fact, it does nothing for the average woman, especially single parents. It does absolutely nothing for low income women to get back to work. Again, it hurts. The lower the income, the less money they get, so this is very detrimental.

Has the minister received a proper gender based analysis on this and what did he do about it?

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Yes, Mr. Chair, it has been the subject of a gender based analysis, as all proposals are.

The member will be interested to know that the proposal will be of principal benefit to women. About 65% of the estimated increase in GIS and other income tested benefits and credits due to TFSA savings will go to women. Neither TFSA investment income nor withdrawals will affect eligibility for federal income tested benefits and credits; that is there will be no clawbacks. As I say, the analysis shows that this will be of principal benefit to women.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, could the minister tell us who is the highest spending finance minister in Canada's history?

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Yes, I can.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, will he admit that he is the highest spending finance minister in Canada's history?

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, is he allowed to call me “he”?

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An. hon. member

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Yes.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, that is good. I am establishing a pattern here. Is the minister against putting a price on carbon?

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, I think we all realize that carbon is ending up priced in our economy. That is a reality.

We are opposed to a massive new carbon tax. So is the premier of Ontario, by the way, who is disagreeing with his little brother there on the benches opposite.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, is the minister aware that his government estimates that the price on carbon under its mandate will go up as high as $65 a tonne by 2018?

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Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, I am aware that there are at least two approaches to this. Our approach is to regulate industry in Canada and we mean all industry in Canada.

This is something that was mused about by the Liberals when they were in government, but of course they did nothing. There was a 30% increase in greenhouse gas emissions while they were in government and now they propose to bring in this dramatic massive tax on ordinary Canadians, on the expenses people have to endure day by day--

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Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Andrew Scheer

The hon. member for Mississauga—Erindale.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, now that the minister has admitted that he wants to put a price on carbon, let me read for members what the environment department says:

For the majority of individual Canadians and for businesses outside the regulated sectors, these costs will be most evident in the form of higher energy prices, particularly with respect to electricity and natural gas.

Does he agree with that?