House of Commons Hansard #100 of the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Finance—Main Estimates 2008-09
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11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, I agree with the suggestion by the Liberals that a carbon tax, which they want to impose on Canadians, will be a massive, punitive tax increase, particularly for people with fixed incomes, for seniors and pensioners.

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11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, I guess his non-answer is an answer. He agrees with the document that says the government's plan will be putting higher prices on electricity and natural gas. What does the Minister of Finance intend to do to offset that for vulnerable Canadians?

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, I do not agree at all with the assumption and the preface to the question.

What we know is that this government has an approach in which we are going to regulate to control greenhouse gas emissions. We have already made that clear. We are going to regulate all the industries in Canada. That is an important approach by our government. The opposition, the Liberal Party, has a different idea: a massive tax grab from Canadians.

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11:15 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, I want to get this straight. Does he not agree with the Ministry of the Environment document that says the government's plan will increase costs for electricity and natural gas? I want to get this clear. Does he not agree with this?

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, I have no idea what piece of paper he is waving around.

I can tell the member this: we will not be imposing a massive new carbon tax on Canadians, particularly Canadians with fixed incomes. If he is concerned about the economy, he should think about the manufacturers and think about the costs that this will mean for them. This is a sector that needs help. It does not need more taxation.

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11:15 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, just so the minister is aware, this is a document that was issued in March 2008 and is called “Turning the Corner: Taking Action to Fight Climate Change”.

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11:15 p.m.

An hon. member

Who published that?

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, it was published by the Department of the Environment. It states that, on average, national residential electricity prices can be expected to rise about 4% by 2020 and natural gas prices by about 2%.

Does the minister agree with that? If that is what he is doing, what does he plan to do about offsetting the cost crisis?

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Flaherty Whitby—Oshawa, ON

Mr. Chair, there is a point the hon. member is trying to make there somewhere. I cannot find it in his haystack over there.

The reality is that the approach of this government is to regulate all industries. The approach of the Liberals is to bring in a massive new tax. We like our approach. We do not like their approach.

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Andrew Scheer

There are 20 seconds left, so we can have a 10 second question and a 10 second response.

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11:15 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, he is the Minister of Finance and the Department of the Environment says that by 2018 they are putting a price--

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11:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Andrew Scheer

Order, please. That is unnecessary.

The hon. member for Mississauga—Erindale.

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May 28th, 2008 / 11:15 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Mr. Chair, I know why they are scared. I know why they do not want me to ask this question. Their document says that by 2018 their price on carbon will be $65 a tonne. Does he agree with that or—

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11:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Assistant Deputy Chair Andrew Scheer

The hon. Minister of Finance has 10 seconds.