House of Commons Hansard #129 of the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was work.

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Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Calgary Southeast, AB

Madam Speaker, I cannot guess the motives of the NDP. I can however draw certain inferences about the motives of the Liberal Party. In 2002 when the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act was brought into effect it included a provision to create a refugee appeal division at the Immigration and Refugee Board. Failed claimants would have a fact-based appeal on a rejected claim. The Liberals then refused to bring that appeal into force. In 2002-2006 they refused to bring it into effect to add that additional procedural safeguard for failed asylum claimants.

This bill brings in the refugee appeal division, a full fact-based appeal for failed asylum claimants, so I know why the Liberals are opposed to this. They have always been against the creation of a refugee appeal division, and that is why they are holding up its implementation. That is why they want to filibuster this. They do not want the appeal division that they refused to put in place when they had the chance in government.

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10:30 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington Western Arctic, NT

Madam Speaker, it was just this morning that I received more emails in my mail pouch dealing with the issue of Bill C-31 and the concerns--

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

10:30 a.m.

An hon. member

He is a marsupial.

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

May 29th, 2012 / 10:30 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington Western Arctic, NT

That is the green book parliamentarians have for their mail. It is a very useful device, no doubt.

This issue is not dead in the population. The minister has agreed that the bill he first presented needed amendments. All the amendments that have been proposed have not been accepted. We are still in a position where there is great concern about the bill.

The minister has brought two arguments forward. He says we have had enough debate, but at the same time he says he has a deadline. I would really like to understand from the minister if his real motive is the deadline, or if his motive is that he has heard too much on the bill and just simply wants to get it done.

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Calgary Southeast, AB

Madam Speaker, the real motive is the deadline. I am all for fulsome debate but we need a clear and serious deadline.

I will explain the consequences to people. If this bill does not receive royal assent by June 29, we will have a disaster because a system will come into effect that the administrative agencies, like the Immigration and Refugee Board and the Canada Border Services Agency, are not in a position to implement. People will be coming into a new legal system that is not supported operationally or with regulations or with staff. We will have a complete train wreck in our asylum system.

I was in opposition for nine years so I know opposition members have a very important duty to hold the government to account, to criticize legislation and to always want more rather than less debate, which is understandable and commendable, but sometimes opposition parties need to act responsibly, too. Sometimes they need to look at reality.

The reality is that we need to get this bill adopted by June 29 to avoid a train wreck. The reality is that this has had fulsome debate and opposition amendments have been considered. What we are really hearing here today is that so many of the objections about time allocation are actually because the opposition wants to have endless filibusters which the rules of other Parliaments do not permit by always limiting the number of speeches. We have had 100 and—

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Government Orders

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NDP

The Deputy Speaker Denise Savoie

Order, please. I would like to allow other members to speak.

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, the minister has a problem with reality. The reality is that the government has again moved time allocation which prevents individuals from being able to participate.

This is not the first bill. We are talking about 20-plus bills. The government does not respect the need to have legitimate debate. That minister brought in fraud legislation that made detention mandatory for at least 12 months. It was because of due diligence by the opposition that we were able to get the minister to back down and make the change that took that 12 month detention down to 14 days in terms of judicial overview.

The responsibility of opposition members is to hold the minister and other ministers accountable for the mistakes that they make. The minister is great at spin. He likes to talk and is critical of the Liberal Party. The minister has to take responsibility for his actions but he has a difficult time doing that. That includes issues such as this bill and that includes issues such as the backlogs. He is the minister who has caused the problem—

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

The Deputy Speaker Denise Savoie

Order, please. The hon. Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism.

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Conservative

Jason Kenney Calgary Southeast, AB

Madam Speaker, I am concerned for the hon. member opposite. His volume knob seems to be broken. I would submit that when he speaks about reasonable debate, we just saw an example of what is not reasonable debate.

That member sat on the committee, which heard from 109 witnesses over 43 hours in 15 committee meetings. He knows that I have been present in this House for most of the 130 speeches over nearly 50 hours of debate at second reading and report stage.

I know that member was never part of one of the Liberal governments but had he been he would have realized that time allocation was used much earlier on many bills than is the case on this—

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB

That is a lie. That is a lie.

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Conservative

Jason Kenney Calgary Southeast, AB

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I will invite the member to retract that statement.

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NDP

The Deputy Speaker Denise Savoie

I am sorry but I did not hear the comment that was made. Is that a point of order that the minister is raising?

Bill C-31—Time allocation motion
Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act
Government Orders

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Calgary Southeast, AB

Madam Speaker, the member knows he just uttered an unparliamentary expression.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB

On a point of order, Madam Speaker.

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Government Orders

10:40 a.m.

NDP

The Deputy Speaker Denise Savoie

The minister was rising on a point of order. I would like to allow him to complete his comments and then I will recognize the member.