In terms of the Cowichan mall, that land has been surrendered—that is the old term. The revenues, though, do go to the former CP holders. So they actually did go through the formal process under that. I know that Westbank is mostly certificate of possession lands. I think the other ones that I suggested, though, are band lands, if we call them that.
I suppose the policy that AANDC has now, as I understand it, is that they won't grant a lease over 49 years to a CP holder, and they're likely going to seek the consent of the council. I have experienced the situation where a CP holder had developed his lands without the consent of the council, hooked into the sewer and water, and had come after the fact to INAC and said, “Now I want to get a lease”, which led to some litigation. My name is all over it—a case called Tsartlip—trying to do the right thing, I suppose, as a lands officer at the time.
We weren't able to bridge that schism, if I can call it that, between the CP holder wanting to develop his lands and the council saying, “No, we want to save those lands for community members”, even though they were held under a certificate of possession.
As a practical matter, in light of Tsartlip, in light of the policy, you're not going to see a lot of large-scale developments on CP lands unless the council is on board. Just like when a first nation wants to do a large-scale development and needs services, where they have to go talk to a municipality, using Tsartlip as an example, if it's the council that has the keys to the sewer and the water, well then, the council's going to have to be on board for those developments to go forward.