Evidence of meeting #140 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Seamus O'Regan  Minister of Indigenous Services
Yves Robillard  Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, Lib.
Jean-François Tremblay  Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services Canada
Paul Thoppil  Chief Finances, Results and Delivery Officer, Department of Indigenous Services Canada
Alex Lakroni  Chief Finances, Results and Delivery Officer, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Diane Lafleur  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

The allocation in the supplementary estimates.... You are right, MP Viersen. We understand that we're in conversation with the Minister of Northern Affairs and that perhaps we'll find time to bring him—

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Super-duper.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

—he'll come to the committee. So we'll have three ministers.

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Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Madam, if I could clarify that, it's one department. Diane is the associate deputy for Minister LeBlanc. So it's one appropriation from our CIRNAC department. It's kind of ours.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

That's precisely why I was bringing it up.

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal MaryAnn Mihychuk

...had to be somewhere else.

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

I noticed in budget 2018 that just over $70 million was budgeted and then only $6 million was allocated. It seems that the Treasury Board did not allocate that money. That's not the only budget initiative that didn't.... That's for the “New Fiscal Relationship: Strengthening First Nations Institutions and Community Capacity”.

In total, $128 million was not allocated, or was withheld, by the Treasury Board.

This is like vote 40. Why was the total of $129 million withheld from your department by the Treasury Board?

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Alex will explain this. In terms of the Treasury Board processes in unlocking that money it's a technical issue.

February 28th, 2019 / 10:30 a.m.

Alex Lakroni Chief Finances, Results and Delivery Officer, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

There is a distinction between funding and approvals of the initiatives. I think in terms of your question about the money, and you refer to the fiscal institutions, there is money in the main estimates. We're asking for $1.4 million. There is also money in the base of the main estimates. The total in this fiscal year for fiscal institutions, if that's what your question is about, is about $19.7 million.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Yes, but the particular budget line was the new fiscal relationship strengthening institutions and community, vote 40. It appears to be that the Treasury Board—

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Diane Lafleur Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

That's because it's three-year funding. The amount that's been drawn down is the full amount for the first year—

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Six million.

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Diane Lafleur

—but the vote holds the funding for a three-year period.

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Okay.

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Diane Lafleur

That's why it might be a little bit confusing.

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

It appears to be that the Treasury Board did not allocate the funds because there was no plan. Is that correct?

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Diane Lafleur

No, it allocated the full amount for year one, and then in year two, we'll go seek that full amount again.

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Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

We have to go back every year.

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Diane Lafleur

It was $189 million over three years. Year one, the amount for 2018-19 was $48.8 million.

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

It was $48.8 million, but only $6 million was allocated?

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

That's what it shows on budget 2018: $70 million allocated, with $6 million withheld, is 65.

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Chief Finances, Results and Delivery Officer, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Alex Lakroni

You are correct. The total budget is $71.8 million.

Six million was allocated in vote 10, grants and contributions. There is $65 million to be allocated in the next two years.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Okay, so it is coming.