Evidence of meeting #53 for Canadian Heritage in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was coach.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jeffrey Partrick  Director, Coaching and Skating Programs, Skate Canada
Dino Lopez  Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club
Jamie Atkin  Club Manager and Head Coach, Airdrie Edge Gymnastics Club, As an Individual
Shane Esau  Exercise Physiologist, Canadian Sport Centre - Calgary, As an Individual
Jason deVos  As an Individual

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Moore

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage as we begin our study on the status of amateur coaching in Canada.

Today we have three witnesses from 3:30 to 4:30: Jeffrey Partrick, from Skate Canada; Dino Lopez, from the Oakville Soccer Club; and Jamie Atkin, from Airdrie, Alberta, who is the club manager and head coach of the Airdrie Edge Gymnastics Club.

Welcome to all of you, gentlemen. Thank you for helping us with our study.

As the clerk has probably told you, you have time for opening remarks, and then once each of you has made your opening remarks, members of the committee will have an opportunity to question the witnesses.

We have to start with someone, so Mr. Partrick, we'll start with you.

3:30 p.m.

Jeffrey Partrick Director, Coaching and Skating Programs, Skate Canada

Thank you for your invitation to appear before the committee to discuss coaching in amateur sport. It is a very important topic for Canadians.

Skate Canada has a long and rich history of which we are proud. This gives us a wealth of knowledge and experience about our sport and about sport in Canada. Skate Canada will actually be celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Canadian figure skating championships in 2014, which is just an example of that rich history.

Skate Canada's structure has over 180,000 members, 1,150 clubs, and over 5,100 coaches under its umbrella. Skate Canada's structure is unique in that all skaters, clubs, and coaches are members of our organization. This centralized structure is extremely beneficial. It is what allows us to create a strong, consistent program delivery and club operation standards which all lead to our success in retaining members and developing elite athletes who have won many world and Olympic medals, and who have represented Canada so proudly on the world stage.

Our sections, of which there are 13—Ontario is divided into four; Yukon is with B.C.; and the Northwest Territories and Nunavut are with Alberta—are responsible for helping to fulfill the strategic priorities of the organization, and support rules, policies, and program delivery by member clubs. All skaters, coaches, and clubs pay a membership fee to Skate Canada, and Skate Canada gives a portion of these fees back to sections to help support and deliver programs and training.

Skate Canada coaches are all members of Skate Canada. To be a member a coach must be certified in the national coaching certification program, must have a valid first aid certificate, submit a police clearance check, complete the Coaching Association of Canada's making ethical decisions course, and finally, pay a fee and register with Skate Canada.

Coaches are paid for their services, not by Skate Canada but by their clients. Some are part-time and some are full-time. Coaches also set their own coaching fee rates. Skate Canada does not set the coaches' fees and the fees are not set by their certification level.

Skate Canada's coaching model has an instruction stream and a competition stream with various levels and contexts. I have provided a model for you in the notes.

Concerning the matter of participation rates in all levels of amateur sport, the number of coaches in Skate Canada numbered 5,182 in our 2011-12 membership season. Over the last 10 years the number of coaches has been increasing while the number of skating members has remained constant and the number of clubs has decreased. Therefore, the number of coaches is not really an issue for Skate Canada.

The number of coaches by certification level, again in the 2011-12 membership season, was 510 for the CanSkate program; 48 for the CanPowerSkate program ; 1,950 for primary STARSkate, which is essentially a program to learn to figure skate; 1,411 for intermediate STARSkate/provincial coach; 778 for level 3; 42 for level 4; and 10 for level 5. In total, there are only 120 level 5 coaches in Canada.

By gender, we have 4,622 female coaches and 500 male coaches. Overall, Skate Canada is well represented by female coaches, something not seen in all sports.

How can the federal government further promote amateur coaching in Canada? We have a few recommendations.

Number one is to mandate that the RCMP allow third party access to vulnerable sector search information. This will ensure consistency of information, ensure consistent costs for coaches, and ensure quick processing times. The safety of children is more important than the privacy of individuals who have relevant charges related to minors.

Number two, we recommend national standardized forms for police clearance checks and vulnerable sector searches, again, for some of the similar reasons, but overall for the safety of children participating in physical activity under the guidance of coaches.

Number three is to support ongoing professional development for coaches. This is important because coach training is expensive but critical for ensuring a quality sport experience for physical activity participants.

Number four is to support the Canadian Sport for Life movement, participation in physical activity, and other healthy living initiatives. This is critical for encouraging healthy living, reduced health care costs, and better quality of life for all Canadians.

Number five is to elevate and recognize the role of the coach. Coaches are critical in determining the quality of the participant sport experience and the likelihood for them to remain active over their lifetime.

Thank you very much.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Moore

Thank you, Mr. Partrick.

Next we'll go to Mr. Lopez.

3:35 p.m.

Dino Lopez Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Good afternoon, honourable committee members. Thank you for having me here today.

If you flip to the second slide, that is a picture of me. That's a 12-year-old soccer player, my first organized soccer experience. This was a house league in Mississauga. This little guy ended up moving on to play professionally in Canada and the United States, as well as playing for our province, and for our country one time, which I consider a great honour. But the fact is that all of this was quite a fluke. It was really by accident. There is no grand design within the structure in Canada, —although we're moving towards it right no, that actually will guarantee success for budding athletes.

Oakville Soccer Club started about 40 years ago in the garage of some well-meaning volunteers and we've grown to about 12,000 participants. Eleven thousand of them are house league or recreational players, and 1,000, or just under 1,000, are rep players. Within that rep group probably only 200 or so of them we consider to be part of that high-performance track.

We plan for success by implementing a five-year strategic plan that we started in 2011. That plan is hinged upon the principles of long-term player development, which are tied in with long-term athletic development, which is supported by Sport Canada. We believe that coaching plays a pivotal role to our success and to our meeting all of the elements of our strategic plan. Within our club we have three current players who are in the national men's player pool. We have a little player by the name of Diana Matheson, who scored a goal that won a bronze medal for Canada at the recent Olympics. Kara Lang is a former captain of our national team, and she is another Oakville resident. We also have a number of players in current youth systems at various levels in Canada and in international youth national teams.

On the next slide if you look at Canadian participation rates, we have a very broad base of players, about 867,000 registered Canadian soccer players. Canada ranks 10th in the world. For registered and unregistered players, we rank 22nd, which is only two spots and probably about 100,000 players fewer than the predominant world power in soccer right now, Spain.

At the club level we're starting to see a plateau in registration, or a mild contraction. We think that is partially due to a lack of quality coaching, lack of resources, as well as competition from other sports and from within the sport.

What we see as a difference between here and Spain is that Spain has a large professional and national infrastructure that drives player development and coaching development at a very high level. It shows excellence at a higher level, and that pulls along everybody else. They have over 23,000 UEFA B, A, and Pro licence coaches, which are the equivalent of the Canadian National B and A licence coaches. We have about 553 of those across the country.

It's important to make a distinction between community and high performance. Recreational soccer is very different, but they're intertwined. Community soccer is low priced. It's about fun, enjoyment of the game, and celebration of the game. You can play from cradle to grave. We have four-year-olds who play, and we have 55- and 60-year-olds who play in our club. This still requires investment on the part of our club, but the heavier investment is on the high-performance side. It's a very heavy price tag. It's intense, and a very small fraction of our players use a lot of allocated resources. There's about a 20-year window where we really spend a lot of money on these athletes. What we find in soccer, and I think it's true for Canadian sport in general, is there's a blurred line between high performance and community participation. We want everyone to participate, and you can't treat everyone equally when you're looking at those two streams.

Further into community and high performance, I will say that they're definitely interconnected. Every single high-performance athlete starts off as a recreational athlete and then later becomes a recreational athlete again sometime in their life. As I said, right now because the lines are blurred between the two within soccer, what we find is neither group is actually served particularly well.

At Oakville Soccer Club we have now invested in coaches. We have over 800 coaches within our club alone. We have 750 of them who are volunteers. The circled areas on the sheet are where we've invested heavily. In the red area we have 28 age group head coaches. They are part-time paid professional coaches. As well, we have four full-time coaches: me, two staff coaches, and a coach development manager.

Once again, we've invested heavily in coaching development and increasing our coaching resources. Also, we invest or subsidize all the licensing for all the players, all the coaches within our club.

The reason we invest heavily in U8 to U12, which is really where we put a lot of our resources, is that's the largest pool of players with the potential to go to the excellence stream. We also believe that those athletes who have better skill development from U8 to U12 will stay in the sport longer and, once again, add to the overall soccer community in the soccer for life phase down the road.

At this point we're focusing on skill development, based on the long-term player development, LTPD, plan. We don't concentrate on teams as much as we concentrate on the individual.

The next slide is on the Canadian coaching streams. All of our coaches are also registered with the NCCP. We have a community stream and a high-performance stream. The community stream is managed by the province, the provincial association, and it costs about $250 to $500 for each of the levels within that course. They also have to take the making ethical decisions course and the respect in soccer course, which also cost money. In order to move on to the competitive stream, either you need to have a national or a professional playing background or you have to take the soccer for life course.

When you go to the excellence stream, the first two levels, the provincial B licence and the B licence pre-tests, are run by the provincial association. The A licence and the national B licence are run by the national association. These courses cost between $900 and $1,200, and that doesn't include the travel costs. At Oakville Soccer Club we subsidize these courses for every one of our 800 coaches.

If you go to the next slide, the structure is the message. As Marshall McLuhan said, the medium is the message. We firmly believe that the structure is the message. If we build the structure properly, it will make sure we're making educated choices at the club level in terms of how we allocate our resources.

We have an inverse power relationship within soccer in Canada. The Canadian Soccer Association wields very little power. The power is really diffused between the provinces and even further down between the clubs that make up the large 867,000 base of players. The way to help that is, obviously, economic power, but even more so, organizational and expertise power. Having that at the CSA level we would be able to pull a lot more interest and passion for the game and be an example of excellence so that our coaches can follow that.

We also think that long-term player development and following those guidelines are crucial to the development of the game in this country, and that there needs to be a distinction between that excellence stream and that recreational stream. Each needs to be funded accordingly.

On the next one, follow the money, we have an annual budget of $7.5 million at the Oakville Soccer Club. The CSA, the Canadian Soccer Association, has an annual budget of $12 million. The fact that these are so close, we think, is problematic. We also, at the Oakville Soccer Club, spend 10% of our money on coaching development, so about $750,000 a year on either developing coaches or paying coaches.

On the next one, you will see we have an excellent base, a lot of players, and that's fantastic. But in most other countries, if they have a large base like that, a lot of the coaching development is funded by a robust professional and national network. If you look at Spain and England, they have literally 40 to 50 teams that are driving player and coach development, and are examples of excellence within the community.

What we do know in Canada is that the aggregate investment power of all the clubs together can far outweigh what the provincial associations and the national associations can invest. Once again, we believe that proper structure will help make intelligent resource allocations for those clubs.

On the next slide, when we're looking at creating coaches, we see it as a push and a pull.

The push is at grassroots level. That means we have to continue to drive the structural change that we're driving at the provincial level here in Ontario, where we're making a high-performance standards-based league. We think that will help allocate proper funds to the right channels. We have to differentiate between high performance and recreational tracks. We have to fully support long-term player development as well as strategic planning for all clubs. If you're not planning, you're going to throw good money after bad, and that's a wasted use of resources.

When we look at the pull, it has to be aspirational. We think there really has to be a revamping and a focus on coaching development across the country. We believe that the CSA and the provincial associations need to be pinnacles of excellence. They need to show examples of excellence, because in the aspirational sense, you aspire to be like the best in the industry.

We believe that we need to invest domestically in coaching and administrative and organizational talent, as well as recruit internationally if necessary. We also believe that in the pull part we need to support and drive the professional game here in Canada.

On our final slide is the picture we had at our club of Diana Matheson greeting and meeting one of our five-year-old house league players. Although we don't all make it to excellence within this country, when we do achieve excellence, we all share in it, so we call these people heroes, and we hope to be able to supply and support both tracks within our club.

Thank you very much.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Moore

Thank you, Mr. Lopez.

Finally, we'll go to Mr. Atkin.

3:45 p.m.

Jamie Atkin Club Manager and Head Coach, Airdrie Edge Gymnastics Club, As an Individual

Thank you for welcoming me to this committee meeting.

I am the head coach and club manager at Airdrie Edge. I've been there for 19 years and in that time I've coached all levels, from pre-school, one- and two-year-old athletes, up to lead athletes. I'm a current national team coach.

Like the gentleman before me, I have participated in and coached at both recreational and high levels. I have worked with both our provincial organization and our national organization.

In Canada in the acrobatic sports our biggest challenge within amateur sport coaching, and something we have difficulty dealing with.... Our recruitment is quite good. We have excellent participation from young people who get into coaching at a relatively grassroots level and at a young age take the initial certification and get into initial coaching and do an excellent job. But as we move to retaining those coaches and developing them up to a level where they are both educated and experienced enough to work with elite athletes, we have a great deal of trouble holding on to them.

Challenges to do with work-life balance in coaching are problematic for us in terms of transferring from a grassroots coach to a more elite coach. In the acrobatic disciplines competitive athletes are training four, five, and six times a week, evenings and weekends. At a grassroots level, fully 85% or 90% of our coaches are young people, primarily women, and very family-oriented people. As they move up the ranks and become more educated and experienced, they develop conflicts between their own families and their availability in terms of evenings and weekends. We find that especially our women coaches drop off enormously at right about the same time as they would be able to move into elite coaching.

We have no volunteer coaches. All of our coaches are professional, paid, educated, and trained coaches. Moving into the level 3 and level 4 coaching where they can begin to work with elite athletes is a matter of many years of experience.

A lot of our challenges have to do with the actual financial reward, both income and benefits for a full-time coach, compared to the lost time, etc. One of the challenges that we were discussing among coaches prior to my attending the meeting is a still prevalent overall attitude in the general Canadian public that when you mention you are a coach, the first question is, “What's your real job? What do you do for real and then do part-time coaching in the evenings?” The professional coach who is involved in amateur sport is a relatively unknown entity in Canada and relatively lightly held....

Some of the things that we think would be appropriate in terms of encouraging participation in and staying with coaching, and following amateur coaching has to do with the recognition of amateur coaching as viable and real work, and the impact that the professional amateur sports coach has on the development, recruitment, and retention of kids within the sport.

Ultimately the amateur coaches in the initial stages aren't going to bring an athlete into the gym or into the playing field in the first place, but the very first experiences of the kids will be affected by the coaches' demeanour, by their positive energy, and by their ability to have the athletes enjoy and also be challenged by what's in front of them.

Currently the challenge we have is in having that recognition and having that balance play out. Public recognition can be a tool. Funding, education, mentorship, and dollars put into taking the excellent work on the long-term athlete development model are important. Also important is to ensure that the work is being brought directly to the coaches who are the ones who are working with the concepts they're in. It's about taking that long-term athlete development work and making sure that each coach at every level has had excellent access to it through education, mentorship, and the various ways we nurture professionals who want to take on amateur sport coaching.

If we don't have the committed educated and experienced people taking on those athletes and bringing them through both their grassroots experiences and their elite competitive experiences, we won't see the growth both in the participation numbers in amateur sport, which is such a huge factor for the overall health and development of our young people, and in the elite participation that brings recognition to Canada as a whole.

Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Moore

Thank you, sir.

Thanks to each of you for your presentations. Now we'll move to some questions and answers.

We will begin with Mr. Young.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you for participating, Mr. Atkin.

Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming all the way here today. We appreciate it. It's great to have someone with your expertise here.

We're pretty proud in Oakville of our Oakville Soccer Club and its accomplishments, and of Diana Matheson and her goal that took Canada to bronze in the Olympics.

I want to see what connections there might be between what you called the recreational stream and I think what you called the professional stream. Or was it the performance stream?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

It was the excellence stream or the high-performance stream.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Yes, the high-performance stream.

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

Yes. I use them interchangeably.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

To start, I do want to ask you, because I think it's really important to talk about the bottom line, if you could just comment briefly, Dino, on how athletes benefit from playing soccer in the big picture.

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

We try to take a holistic approach in terms of how we coach our players. We want to make sure that we're building good individuals, number one, so character development is a big part of what we do.

What I've found at the end of this is that you have young adults who are able to better manage their time, who have higher self-esteem, who take a skill. It's like learning piano: you take that anywhere you go, and it's part of your life moving forward. You build someone who's able to work within a team and execute towards a goal. You're building more capable and competent adults as well. We do have that holistic approach to it.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Also, they learn to take direction from people other than their teachers and their parents, etc.

I knew at least one young lady in Oakville who had an offer of a scholarship to a post-secondary institution. Do you have any idea of how often that happens through the club?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

Through the Oakville Soccer Club, it happens more on the boys' side than on the girls' side; I'll be very honest. As I mentioned, there's a worldwide group of people and professional clubs that invest in soccer worldwide. Relatively speaking, the men's side struggles because there's so much money invested behind it. On the women's side, this year we had five athletes go to the U.S. on scholarships. The previous year we had seven athletes on the women's side go to the U.S. on scholarships. We'll have one male going this year. There's a large number of players who get a free education in the U.S.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Do any of them get any scholarships or bursaries in Canadian universities?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

Yes, they do.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Okay. That's helpful as well.

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

Yes, and we support Canadian universities equally as much, because we know that we can rely on the education system here.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

You said the numbers are relatively stable right now in the Oakville Soccer Club. By the way, are there more girls than guys, or is it roughly equal?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

There are slightly more girls than guys, but it's almost a 50-50 split.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Right, and you said that one reason the numbers are stable now, instead of growing, is lack of coaching. How big an issue is that? What do you do about it?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

As I said, we invest $750,000 a year in coaches. I think that in Canada we suffer. It's almost like a business that grows too fast. We have so many players and we just don't have the built-up coaching expertise, so we struggle to fill the role of a coach who is up to the level of our players. That's one of the issues. People drop out of the game because they haven't developed their full potential due to that.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Do you have more of a challenge getting high-performance coaches than coaches in the recreational stream?

3:55 p.m.

Technical Director, Oakville Soccer Club

Dino Lopez

I would say yes, but I think the overall standard of our recreational coaches could also be higher. I think the overall standard for the volunteer side, as well as for the professional part-time coach, has to increase.