Evidence of meeting #33 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was justice.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nathalie Drouin  Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Attorney General of Canada, Department of Justice
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Go ahead, Ms. Dabrusin.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I see that it's now past three o'clock, and I move to adjourn.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

We now have a motion to adjourn.

Does everybody understand what that means? Great.

Madam Clerk.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Mr. Chair, I thought that, once we got to three o'clock, the end of the meeting, we didn't need a full vote, we just adjourn.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

No, you don't, Ms. Dabrusin. It's always implied consent that we adjourn, but, quite frankly, it's the call of the chair to see that this consent is not implied, as we're in the middle of doing something. I'm afraid you're going to have to make it a little more formal than that.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

All right.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Ms. McPherson.

3 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Sorry, I'm assuming right now we're just debating the adjournment. If that's the case—

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

No, no. I don't think Ms. Dabrusin moved an adjournment motion.

3 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Is that correct, Ms. Dabrusin? Yes.

Ms. McPherson.

3 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Thank you.

I just wanted to say that I, also, in a very cross-partisan way, support Mr. Waugh's motion, Mr. Housefather's rationale and Mr. Champoux's process on it. I think I would be very supportive of having our expert panel on Monday, and then having the minister join us on Tuesday. I think that is an excellent compromise that will allow us to continue to do the work we need to do. That will be where my support would land. It's very cross-partisan to be collective and collaborative together.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Mr. Waugh.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Very quickly, Mr. Chair, can I ask to suspend? That way we can continue this debate during our next meeting, whenever that is next week.

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Well, the issue with that is we start out with it. We do have witnesses coming on Monday, so that becomes a little bit problematic.

I see that nobody wants to talk, so we can go to a vote—except Mr. Aitchison wishes to talk.

Mr. Aitchison.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I apologize for wishing to talk.

I thought, actually, that what I heard all across party lines, including from my dear friend, Mr. Housefather, was eminently reasonable. I will actually withdraw my subamendment, if that makes everybody happier, and we can proceed back to Mr. Waugh's motion. Clearly, he is a far more seasoned veteran at this and more knowledgeable, better looking, all those good things, and it makes more sense.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I'm beginning to think you write his householder, Mr. Aitchison, with all due respect.

Seeing that we have unanimous consent across the board, now we go to the main motion that was put forward by Mr. Waugh to extend the invitation to the Minister of Justice to arrive either Tuesday or Wednesday, and we would continue with Monday's witness testimony with the four-expert panel.

Seeing no debate, all those in—

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Mr. Chair, I just wanted to clarify, if you can read it to me again. I want to make sure I understand what exactly it is about.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I tell you, honestly, things are happening so fast, Ms. Dabrusin, yes, I appreciate that.

I'm going to go to the clerk, because that's why I'm paraphrasing, to also repeat what I said about the motion at hand, which is from Mr. Waugh.

Madam Clerk.

3:05 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Waugh, please do correct me to make sure I have this written down properly. You propose another invitation be sent to the justice minister and officials for either Tuesday or Wednesday of next week—and the days will be put in when the minutes are written—and we continue with the expert panel on Monday, May 17.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Correct.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Okay. Do we have a general understanding now? Yes. Let's proceed to the vote.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Remember what I said earlier about implied consent? Let me return to that.

It is now six minutes past our expiry, pardon the expression, so I'm going to be so bold as to say that the meeting is now adjourning and we'll be back on Monday.

Madam Clerk, could you just mention who we have as witnesses, please.

3:05 p.m.

The Clerk

Thank you, sir.

3:05 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes, sir.

We have Janet Yale, Pierre Trudel, Dr. Michael Geist and Andrew Cash.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Good.

Ladies and gentlemen, have yourselves a wonderful weekend.

We are adjourned.