Evidence of meeting #10 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was police.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joint Chair  Hon. Gwen Boniface (Senator, Ontario, ISG)
Vernon White  Senator, Ontario, C
Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

It absolutely does.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you.

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The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Thank you.

Mr. Fortin, you have one minute.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Ms. Freeland, we knew in advance that the convoy was headed for Parliament Hill. There was also a blockade on the Ambassador Bridge. The trucks were coming and the police were concerned.

At some point, did a member of cabinet or you yourself speak to the police and tell them that measures had to be taken to secure Parliament?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

Mr. Fortin, as you very well know, it isn't normal…

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

You have 20 seconds left, Minister.

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

—and it isn't right—

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

You don't know?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

—for the Minister of Finance to contact Ottawa police officers to…

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

As I understand it, Minister, you never did anything to prevent the roadblock.

Is that correct?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

No, it's not.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

What did you do to dismantle the roadblock apart from invoking the Emergencies Act?

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The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Mr. Fortin, your time is up. I apologize.

Mr. Green.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Minister of Finance, ultimately, the buck stops with you. Madam Minister, in your testimony, I think you let it slip. You said the RCMP “instructed”, and then you said “consulted with” the banks on which accounts to freeze.

Who would have made the decision? Would it have been the RCMP or the banks?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

I was clear that there were two routes. Under the order, the banks, using their internal processes, acted so as to be certain that they were complying with the order.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Were any of the accounts—

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

The order also permitted the RCMP to communicate directly with the banks and to share with them information to comply with the order.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Were any of the accounts linked to ideologically motived violent extremist groups?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

Again, it was not the job of the Department of Finance to be involved—

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Did you receive any debriefs?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

—in choosing which accounts which should be frozen or not frozen. That's a—

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Did you receive any debriefs?

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Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

—very important point, and I want to lean in hard on that particular point.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

You can lean as much as you want. Did you receive a debrief?

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The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Mr. Green, your time is up.

Moving to Senator White, you have the floor.