Evidence of meeting #10 for Electoral Reform in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was parties.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Henry Milner  Senior Researcher, Chair in Electoral Studies, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Alex Himelfarb  Clerk of the Privy Council, 2002-2006, As an Individual
André Blais  Professor, Department of Political Science, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Christine Lafrance

11:55 a.m.

Clerk of the Privy Council, 2002-2006, As an Individual

Alex Himelfarb

I think it's a fair question.

I must confess that I'm with Henry on this. I think greater proportionality is so much better that it would be more than sad if we didn't move in that direction.

That's not to say that you're incorrect that any choice involves trade-offs. It depends a bit on how you design the system. One of the challenges that we will have to deal with is the size of ridings, for example, or the size of districts, especially with respect to dispersed population areas. I think we're going to have to be creative in the design of this to accommodate the diversity of the country, including urban and rural differences.

For what it's worth, I know that Jean-Pierre Kingsley has speculated about some possibilities. I also know that Fair Vote Canada is working on models that ensure greater proportionality but respect the differences between urban and rural areas.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you very much.

We ended at noon, right on the dot, so thank you, colleagues and witnesses, for your co-operation.

We haven't finished the meeting. You're rock stars, obviously.

Before we close the meeting and the gavel comes down to permit photos, I would just remind members, those who are interested and who will be here—and I assume that's pretty much everyone—that at 1 o'clock we'll be here to—

Noon

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Christine Lafrance

Bring your iPads.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Bring your iPads if you can. We're going to go through a trial run of the electronic questionnaire.

Yes, Mr. Reid.

Noon

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

Mr. Chair, this is kind of a point of order.

I just want to ask the—

Noon

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

It's kind of a point?

Noon

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

A generous chair would see it as a point of order and I know how generous you are.

During the course of our conversation I cited one paper by Professor Milner, and Professor Blais cited several papers. I just wonder if we could ask them—

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Of course, yes.

Noon

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

—to submit these to our analysts so that we can add them to our information.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, if you could submit those, it would be greatly appreciated.

Without further ado, we'll put an end to the meeting and will see some of you back at 1 p.m.

Thank you.