Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.
A recording is available from Parliament.
May 22nd, 2018 / 7 p.m.
Liberal
William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC
Madam Chair, I definitely appreciate the direction in which our colleague is bringing us. Liberal amendments LIB-101, LIB-106, and LIB-111 each engage the climate issue, ensuring that the climate is considered in decisions related to pipelines, power lines, and offshore projects, so suffice it to say that the government members feel as though they're engaging in this exercise of integrating climate change.
We may be doing it in a different manner from that of our opposition colleagues, but we nonetheless are confident that it's going to arrive at the same results.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We're doing a recorded vote on PV-89.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
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Liberal
William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC
Madam Chair, this is going back to the thematic that we've addressed on several occasions, the incorporation of UNDRIP and the reference to it in the Canadian energy regulator act.
I don't feel that we need to get back into this. We've touched on this in LIB-2 and LIB-7, and we did just previously in LIB-79. I guess to put a bit of a capstone on it and in a response to a point made earlier by member Duncan, at the end of the day we feel that we can incorporate UNDRIP without necessarily placing the word everywhere in the act, and in fact, that is the preferable approach.
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NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
I'm sorry, but the amendment to proposed section 3 was refused, and that's where you would have had to add the UNDRIP. Right now the definition for the determination of the rights is limited to the Constitution, so it does not include the UNDRIP.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Point made.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 8; nays 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We're on NDP-67. If it's adopted, PV-92 cannot be moved because of redundancy
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NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
We are on page 100, speeding along here.
We would add a new subsection 14(1.1) at line 3. It makes clear what the qualifications would be for each member of the board of directors for the CER, including respect for indigenous traditional knowledge and world view, community development, public engagement, and renewable energy. It also ensures the makeup of the board is diverse. The comment from Pembina is that expanding the required competencies of the board and the commissioners to include such factors as indigenous traditional knowledge and world view, and expertise in climate science, renewable energy, and public consultation will strengthen the bill and what they thought was the intended 21st century role for the CER.
7:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
It's a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Now we move to PV-90.
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Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Madam Chair, this is a change to lines 4 and 5 on page 100, relating to indigenous representation on the CER. It currently says that at least one of the directors must be an indigenous person. As you've heard in testimony from a number of people in the indigenous community, the Assembly of First Nations, and so on, the Government of Canada has adopted something in principle 10 of the federal government's approach to reconciliation called the distinctions-based approach. Rather than have a sort of pan-indigenous approach in which you appoint an indigenous person to represent the views of first nations, Inuit, and Métis, the amendment I'm proposing would ensure there is a director representing each one of these groups—first nations, Métis, and Inuit.
7:05 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
Is it your intention to have a majority of the members be first nations?
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Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
I don't think that would happen on a board with three appointments.
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Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
Actually, you could have five. That's what the minister directs. That would mean a majority, right?
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Green
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Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Well, I think the issue is living up to our commitments under reconciliation. I submitted these—