Evidence of meeting #89 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was right.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Paula Brand  Director General, Sustainability Directorate, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Sorry, yes.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I'd like to respond to that after.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

I apologize. The text that I actually want to put in takes into account comments made under the subsections. I apologize. I'd just changed this earlier and forgot that I was operating off two different documents.

Instead of saying “takes into account results of public consultations”, we want to say “takes into account comments made under subsections 9(3) or 9(4); and”.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay. Can I respond that that?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

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Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Actually, can I add one further thing?

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Sure, go ahead.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Amendments NDP-11 and NDP-14 are virtually identical in terms of the changes that you're looking to make; they just apply to different sections. I don't know if we can—

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Let's just go one amendment at a time.

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Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Okay. Very good.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

If I can speak to that, they are not identical. The one that we dealt with before was the obligation of the Minister of the Environment to consult the public when she is developing the federal sustainable development strategy. This section, section 11, deals with all the entities that develop their individual strategies. This hasn't anything to do with the FSDS. This is what each of the entities must do in developing their individual sustainable development strategies.

I have added that when they develop those strategies, those entities must also take into consideration public consultation.

It has nothing to do with the FSDS process; it's developing their individual entity strategies on how they're going to deliver their mandates.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes, I understand. That's exactly what this section is.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Right.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I get that.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It's not the same.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

But it could still apply.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It's the same responsibility, but to a different minister.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

What we're saying is that subsections 9(3) and 9(4) would require all designated entities to consider the consultations that the minister has had.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Right. That's what he's saying.

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Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

That's what we want to focus on.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

No, because—

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Sorry, that's a subamendment that—

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

—overall FSDS is not going—

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Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

—we'd like to make.