Evidence of meeting #57 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigations.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mary Dawson  Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Sandy Tremblay  Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Charles Dutrisac  Director of Finance and Acting Chief Financial Officer, Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying
Karen Shepherd  Commissioner of Lobbying, Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Welcome colleagues.

Thank you very much to all those who had extenuating circumstances today on or near the Hill for making sure that this meeting could go ahead as planned.

We are at meeting number 57 of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics. We are pleased to have with us today to deal with the main estimates, from the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Madam Mary Dawson, the commissioner. Accompanying her is Ms. Sandy Tremblay, the director of corporate management.

Colleagues, we will have opening remarks from the commissioner dealing with the main estimates. Then we'll proceed with our rounds of questions until the end of the first hour.

We thank you very much, Madam Commissioner, for being here. We look forward to your remarks.

3:30 p.m.

Mary Dawson Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee, I thank you for inviting me to appear before you today as the committee considers my office's budgetary submission for the 2017-18 Main Estimates.

As you mentioned, I am accompanied today by Sandy Tremblay, Director of Corporate Management.

I will begin by briefly describing how I have organized my office and its operations to support my mandate of administering the Conflict of Interest Act, which applies to some 2,250 public office holders, and the Conflict of Interest Code for Members of the House of Commons.

I will next review our historical budgetary requirements, with reference to some of our activities in the past year, and to the internal management framework that I have put in place to ensure the effective, efficient and economical use of public resources.

Against this background, I will then discuss our current budgetary requirements.

My office conducts a range of activities in support of my administration of the act and the members' code. I've organized it into five divisions.

We provide confidential advice to members and public office holders, review their confidential reports, maintain internal records of that information, and administer a system of public disclosure. These activities are handled by the advisory and compliance division. It's our largest division, reflecting my primary goal of helping members and public office holders to meet their obligations through education and guidance.

In 2016-2017, beyond the initial compliance processes for the 315 new reporting public holders and some 200 members of the House of Commons, advisors in my office had almost 2,400 communications with members and public office holders.

We also undertake education and outreach and conduct public communications and media relations. These activities are conducted by the communications, outreach, and planning division, which also contributes to policy development, compiles research, and coordinates my office's interactions with Parliament and external organizations.

Although prevention is the major focus of my office, we also investigate possible contraventions of the act and the members' code. The investigations division has responsibility in this area. The legal services division also makes a critical contribution to examinations and inquiries, as well as providing strategic legal advice on all facets of my office's work.

Since I last appeared before you, I have released four examination reports. Two examinations and one inquiry are ongoing, and one examination is suspended. We dealt with 45 case files in the past fiscal year and had no remaining case assessments to complete at the end of the year.

Another activity area relates to the administrative structures, processes, and services required for the organization to operate. The corporate management division oversees the development and implementation of internal management policies and the delivery of services and advice on human resources, finance, information technology, information management, and the management of office facilities. It also administers service agreements with external partners.

General administrative and logistical support for all these activities is provided by my own small team in the commissioner's office. My office has a total of 50 indeterminate positions, two of which are currently vacant. Last year I reduced my already-small management team by one position, and it now includes just four senior managers. As well, two new positions were added to the office to enable us to fulfill compensation and financial managements function internally.

Services in these areas were previously provided by Public Services and Procurement Canada and by the Library of Parliament under service agreements. We continued to contract with the House of Commons for information management and information technology services. We outsource other services to reduce costs where appropriate, such as classification, commissionaire services, the employee and family assistance program, and auditing.

As an officer of the House of Commons, my independence from the government of the day is assured in several ways, including my status as a separate employer. As an entity of Parliament, my office is not generally subject to legislation governing the administration of the public service or to Treasury Board policies and guidelines. I have, however, taken steps to ensure that we respect the principles followed in the public service and in Parliament to the greatest extent possible in staffing matters and other aspects of resource management.

In the past fiscal year, in addition to building our in-house compensation and financial management capacity, my office strengthened its internal management framework through a variety of measures. For example, we took steps to improve the way we organize and manage electronic records, implemented a more comprehensive security program, and purchased a video conferencing system that would enable us to conduct interviews remotely during examinations and inquiries.

We also entered into a new agreement with the Canada School of Public Service that gives our employees access to a wide range of learning opportunities.

When we were required to start using new content management software for our intranet site, we took the opportunity to reorganize and expand this key internal communications tool.

This fiscal year, while continuing the day-to-day work of administering the act and the members' code efficiently and effectively, we will build on recent initiatives in a variety of activity areas. This includes a major upgrade of our case management system and the replacement of our human resources and finance systems.

My office, which was created in July 2007, maintained an annual operating budget of $7.1 million in its first five years of operation, with no increases. In years six and seven, I was able to offer small overall budget reductions. In each of the past two years, I sought and received a slight upward adjustment in order to cover an increase in contributions to the employee benefit plans, as determined by the Treasury Board. In 2016-17, my office was allocated an operating budget of $6.97 million.

Even accounting for these variations, every year we have returned some surplus funds to the federal Treasury. Our estimated surplus for 2016-17 is in the order of $600,000. I have always maintained a reserve to allow my office to respond to exceptional circumstances that could significantly impact our workload. The reserve is also intended to provide for IT projects associated, for example, with the office website, our client management database, the public registry, and our intranet.

This year, I am seeking a budget of $6.9 million. This amount is slightly down from the $6.97 million that my office received last year. The decrease results from lower employee benefit plan contributions. The employer contribution was reduced from 16.8% to 15.7% in accordance with the percentage set by the Treasury Board. I have budgeted for a reserve of $400,000 in 2017-18, the same as last year.

Given the nature of my mandate, salaries remain by far our largest budgetary expenditure. Non-salary expenditures are mostly related to the standard costs of running an office and the costs of outsourced services.

I thank the committee again for inviting me to discuss the budgetary requirements of my office, and I direct its attention to the availability of detailed financial and other information on my office's website and in my annual reports.

This concludes my opening statement. I will be pleased to answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Thank you, Madam Commissioner.

We will start our seven-minute round of questions with Mr. Long, please.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Commissioner Dawson, for your submission today.

Obviously, some of us on this side have a business background. I've been through many budgeting processes and reviews. I am a former president of the Saint John Sea Dogs, a major junior hockey team. It's doing very well right now, by the way. Typically, our budgeting process was very extensive, basically from our equipment manager to our physiotherapists and their departments, and so on.

Could you brief the committee on the process of budgeting: who is involved, how inclusive it is, and how much input you have from your different levels? Could you share that with me?

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Each year, my corporate services group will approach each section in my office and consult with them on the budget needs, and then pull them together and establish our budget.

I don't know if my corporate director would like to add anything to that.

3:40 p.m.

Sandy Tremblay Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Salaries account for about 85% of our budget, so we start from that. The non-salary budget is not that high.

Basically, I meet with every director. We look at our strategic plan for the upcoming year just to see what's required, what's in the plan. We also go from the expenses in the previous year and we manage from that. Madame is involved throughout the whole process, as well as all the directors within all the divisions.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

When salaries are such a high percentage of your total budget, you obviously don't have a lot of flexibility. Can you give me some examples of internal benefits that you've derived by talking internally or doing some cost analysis? Have you found anything beneficial where you could save?

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Do you mean where we can save money?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Yes.

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

We don't spend a lot of money on administration.

Can you think of some examples?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Sandy Tremblay

In terms of some examples, because a lot of our non-salary budget goes towards service agreements that we have with outside providers, we'll look and analyze that. That's why, in the past year, we've actually brought back our financial services internally, just to make sure that we make the most of the resources we have.

Besides that, we don't have a lot of play. It's mostly with professional services, so we'll look at mostly IT projects and span that across the next three years to try to make sure that we use our budget appropriately.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

You talked about the last budget period. In 2016-17, you had a $600,000 reserve.

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Yes, $600,000.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Right, and this year you're—

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

No, it was $400,000. We had $600,000 left—

3:40 p.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Sandy Tremblay

—the year before.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

That was the year before. So now it's $400,000.

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

What are you budgeting for the reserve, moving forward? Is it $400,000?

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Yes, $400,000.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

I'm just curious as to how you come up with that. You had $600,000 in reserve.

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Now you've come up with $400,000. Is it somewhat arbitrary? Could you give me some background on that?

3:40 p.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Basically, we always seem to end up with a bit of a surplus. We thought $600,000 was probably too much, so we've lowered it to $400,000. The thing is that we never quite know what kind of contingency we might have, particularly for investigations.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Right.