Evidence of meeting #77 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Ruth Naylor  Executive Director, Information and Privacy Policy Division, Chief Information Officer Branch, Treasury Board Secretariat

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

My apologies; it's already been dealt with under NDP-28, so we'll move on.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

NDP-31 has been dealt with?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

Yes, under NDP-28.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Are you saying that NDP-28 is too similar to NDP-31?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

That's what we're saying.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I don't know if it's appropriate, Chair, but I see that differently. Could we have some interpretation of that? This is about the onus and where the burden goes in terms of getting a judicial review.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

We'll give the clerk a minute to prepare what he's going to say.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Okay.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

While you're figuring that out, assuming this is defeated, can we, just for efficiency, start doing them in blocks where there aren't amendments?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

That would be an assumption that I would not make, that it would be defeated, but once this is voted on, we can vote in blocks. It depends on what the room wants to do but, as chair, certainly I would entertain that.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I don't have a ton of them after this.

Do you have a lot more?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

The faster it goes, the better.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Oh no, man. The serious consideration of legislation is the job.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

True.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Being legislators and all....

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Where there are no amendments, though, we might as well, right?

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Oh, if there are no amendments—

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

That's what I'm saying. We'll vote in blocks in between, where there are no amendments.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

All right. Sometimes it's tricky to do if [Technical difficulty—Editor]

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

We have some clarity. We can proceed. I can explain it, actually, or....

Go ahead.

4:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk, House of Commons

Olivier Champagne

I saw a relationship between the two. My idea was that if NDP-28 were to be adopted, then NDP-31 would be adopted as well, but I think that since NDP-28 has been rejected, NDP-31 could live by itself, so I think it would—

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That was our question.

4:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk, House of Commons

Olivier Champagne

It could exist independently.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's where the burden of judicial review falls. Does it fall on the person making the request or does it fall on the institution denying the request, or having a conflict of request?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Zimmer

We can ask for legal advice at that end, if you wish, Mr. Cullen, but now we'll—