Evidence of meeting #11 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was benefits.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Serge Cadieux  National President, Canadian Office and Professional Employees Union
Lee Lockwood  As an Individual
Norma Nielson  Professor and Chair in Insurance and Risk Management, Haskayne School of Business, University of Calgary, As an Individual
Tony Wacheski  As an Individual

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

A point of order, yes.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desnoyers Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I would just like to clarify something. I am not sure I understood his comments earlier. He said I had not told the truth about GM. Is that what he said? Is he calling me a liar?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

No. I could if you want me to.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desnoyers Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

No. Perhaps--

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Desnoyers, as I understand it--

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desnoyers Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Perhaps the translation was not clear.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

--Mr. Wallace said that you had said GM's pension fund had received funding from the government. And Mr. Wallace said that was in fact not the case.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

There was no federal money. That's all.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desnoyers Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Okay; my apologies, Mr. Wallace.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

The province put money in, but we did not.

4:25 p.m.

An hon. member

Not federal.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Not federal money.

4:25 p.m.

An hon. member

Not a penny.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Order, order.

Mr. Wallace, you have the floor.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

April 22nd, 2010 / 4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

There were no brown envelopes at all.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Professor Nielson, you're not getting a lot of questions because you have very technical suggestions here, I'd say.

4:25 p.m.

Professor and Chair in Insurance and Risk Management, Haskayne School of Business, University of Calgary, As an Individual

Norma Nielson

It's a technical subject.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

It is a technical subject; we're finding that out.

I have no idea, to be honest with you, what the tax advantage is to an American for a 401. I know what 401(k) is, I hear about them, but I don't know what the difference is between—

4:25 p.m.

Professor and Chair in Insurance and Risk Management, Haskayne School of Business, University of Calgary, As an Individual

Norma Nielson

It's essentially the same kind of product. It just meets definitions set out by the IRS instead of Revenue Canada. The limits are somewhat different.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

The limits in contribution, but what about for my own.... Let's say I make $100,000, and I put $2,000 into my 401(k) or $2,000 into my RRSP. What is the actual difference to the individual? You're asking us to work with our federal counterparts to make sure the rules are treated exactly the same on both sides of the border. Is that not correct?

4:25 p.m.

Professor and Chair in Insurance and Risk Management, Haskayne School of Business, University of Calgary, As an Individual

Norma Nielson

Or that you recognize that they have retirement savings products that are essentially not biased in favour of the highly compensated. The qualified plan rules serve much the same purposes the registered plan rules do here.

If somebody moves across the border, they can't currently transfer their retirement savings. If you get married and move to Arizona, you're going to run into a whole bunch of tax complications because you want to cross the border. I can say from personal experience, you face a lifetime of dual tax returns.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Do you have any idea how many people this affects?

4:25 p.m.

Professor and Chair in Insurance and Risk Management, Haskayne School of Business, University of Calgary, As an Individual

Norma Nielson

Calgary has a fairly high percentage of Americans who cross the border and work in Calgary for a while, or Canadians who get transferred to Houston with Shell. There's a fair bit of mobility in the Calgary market, and I know there's more than that in the Windsor corridor. So I would say there are pockets of it around the country. That's why it's not number one, it's number nine, right?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I have 30 seconds, so I'm going to ask you, on our copies, we're missing one of your numbers. Number three in mine says “Yuri somebody and Grant somebody, data on transfer income”, so we don't have one of the bullet points you were talking about.