Evidence of meeting #62 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Swol  Director, Program Management, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Dean Beyea  Director, International Trade Policy Division, Department of Finance
Olivier Nicoloff  Director, Democracy, Commonwealth and Francophonie Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Colleen Barnes  Executive Director, Domestic Policy Directorate, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Nancy Leigh  Manager, Governance Secretariat, Canada School of Public Service
Jane Pearse  Director, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Suzanne Brisebois  Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada
Louise Laflamme  Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport
Lenore Duff  Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Lawrence Hanson  Director General, Strategic Policy Directorate, Department of the Environment
Pamela Miller  Director General, Telecommunications Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Allan MacGillivray  Special Advisor to the Director General, Telecommunications Policy, Department of Industry
Alwyn Child  Director General, Program Development and Guidance Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mireille Laroche  Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mark Hodgson  Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance
Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Vivian Krause  As an Individual
Mark Blumberg  Lawyer and Partner, Blumberg Segal LLP
Dan Kelly  Senior Vice-President, Legislative Affairs, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Dennis Howlett  Coordinator, Canadians for Tax Fairness
Jamie Ellerton  Executive Director, EthicalOil.org
Blair Rutter  Grain Growers of Canada
Marcel Lauzière  President and Chief Executive Officer, Imagine Canada
Tom King  Co-Chair, Finance and Taxation Committee, Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada
Sandra Harder  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Cam Carruthers  Director, Program Integrity Division, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada
David Manicom  Immigration Program Manager (New Delhi), Area Director (South Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Sorry to interrupt, but it was at the point in time that the government said they wanted reductions. You weren't looking at this change prior to that?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

No, we weren't.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Okay.

So—I'm trying to choose my words carefully—this change was not because of a need within your department but solely to save money?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

Our department was required to reduce our budget by 9.7%. We reviewed a number of areas. Our operations are very prescribed through legislation and regulations, so in terms of our ability to reduce our budget, again, from the analysis that was conducted, one of the options was looking at a legislative amendment similar to other departments that are here—

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I understand. It's just that in the particular area of your work, I'd be far more interested in having a change come about because of the need for the change as opposed to the need to reallocate some money someplace.

I don't doubt that you've worked diligently in getting here, but I am surprised, because that was going to be one of my questions: why was this not a legislative bill separated out here someplace? This isn't your doing, but it's gotten wedged into this bill along with so many other things. That was my point when I started this round of questioning.

So you really answered my question. If you hadn't been asked to do this to save money, this wouldn't have taken place because it wasn't part of your department's plans.

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

Well, I don't set the legislative agenda—

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

No, I realize that.

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Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

—so I wouldn't necessarily be able to....

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I'm asking you to speak for your department.

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

Yes. Even then, we're an independent tribunal, so we have a different relationship in terms of our legislative mandate. It's a little bit arm's length.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Okay. That's fine. Thank you.

Thank you, Chair.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

I want to clarify this, Ms. Brisebois, just to make sure I heard correctly. You're saying that currently in about 50% of the cases this in-person contact is being waived.

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

Yes. Within the legislation we are required to have a hearing for these types of cases, and in approximately 50% of the cases the offenders will waive their right to a hearing.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay. So what this does is say that it's allowed, or it could happen. It's simply changing it so that it's not legally required.

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada

Suzanne Brisebois

That's right. The board will still retain the discretion to hold a hearing where it feels that it is warranted. There will likely continue to be cases where we'll hold a hearing where board members feel that it's warranted to have a hearing.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

I appreciate your coming before our committee. Thank you.

We will move on to division 38, to the Coasting Trade Act, and to our Transport Canada officials.

Thank you very much for being with us today. If you want to give us an overview of these clauses, then we'll have questions from members.

4:45 p.m.

Louise Laflamme Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport

Thank you.

I'm Louise Laflamme, working in the marine policy group at Transport Canada. I'm here to talk to you about division 38, clause 531.

First, the Coasting Trade Act reserves Canada's coasting trade for Canadian vessels. Coasting trade includes the transportation of goods and passengers between points in Canada and any marine activity of a commercial nature. When above the continental shelf, these activities must be in relation to the exploration and exploitation of the minerals and natural resources of the continental shelf.

What the clause proposes to do is to amend the Coasting Trade Act to add a new exemption from obtaining a coasting trade licence for seismic activities that are above the continental shelf and are in relation to the exploration for its minerals and natural resources.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you very much for that.

Are there questions from members?

Mr. Marston.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I have just a very quick question.

Is the intent of this to open the door to allow foreigners—foreign entities, businesses, or whatever—to operate within those boundaries that normally would be Canadian?

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport

Louise Laflamme

Well, what the Coasting Trade Act does, as I said, is reserve it to Canadian-registered vessels. There is currently in the Coasting Trade Act an administrative process to allow for the temporary importation of foreign vessels. So you have to be a Canadian resident or natural person to import these vessels. What this would do is add an exemption to the ones that already exist now in the act where foreign vessels would operate in Canada without a licence.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

So they wouldn't have to be Canadian?

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Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Monsieur Caron.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Let us be brief. Do you know whether this provision has also been considered by the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans?