Evidence of meeting #62 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Swol  Director, Program Management, Rail Safety, Department of Transport
Dean Beyea  Director, International Trade Policy Division, Department of Finance
Olivier Nicoloff  Director, Democracy, Commonwealth and Francophonie Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Colleen Barnes  Executive Director, Domestic Policy Directorate, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Nancy Leigh  Manager, Governance Secretariat, Canada School of Public Service
Jane Pearse  Director, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Suzanne Brisebois  Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada
Louise Laflamme  Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport
Lenore Duff  Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Lawrence Hanson  Director General, Strategic Policy Directorate, Department of the Environment
Pamela Miller  Director General, Telecommunications Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Allan MacGillivray  Special Advisor to the Director General, Telecommunications Policy, Department of Industry
Alwyn Child  Director General, Program Development and Guidance Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mireille Laroche  Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Mark Hodgson  Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance
Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Vivian Krause  As an Individual
Mark Blumberg  Lawyer and Partner, Blumberg Segal LLP
Dan Kelly  Senior Vice-President, Legislative Affairs, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Dennis Howlett  Coordinator, Canadians for Tax Fairness
Jamie Ellerton  Executive Director, EthicalOil.org
Blair Rutter  Grain Growers of Canada
Marcel Lauzière  President and Chief Executive Officer, Imagine Canada
Tom King  Co-Chair, Finance and Taxation Committee, Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada
Sandra Harder  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Cam Carruthers  Director, Program Integrity Division, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada
David Manicom  Immigration Program Manager (New Delhi), Area Director (South Asia), Department of Citizenship and Immigration

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Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance

Mark Hodgson

That's correct.

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I'm not trying to get into a debate on that. I'm just trying to make the particular point. The changes we're talking about now, which have people concerned, have to do with the definition of suitable work, and my understanding is that definition is going to allow the minister to make that determination. Is that correct?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

The current proposal within the BIA is to provide the authority to the Employment Insurance Commission to make regulations pertaining to the definition of suitable employment and reasonable job search.

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

So it doesn't—

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

So this definition will be in the regulations.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

You have about 30 seconds.

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

The current proposal is to provide the Canada Employment Insurance Commission with the authority to make regulations to define what constitutes suitable employment and reasonable job search. So those details will be—

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

So that's below the minister. The minister won't make that determination.

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

—in the EI regulations that go with the legislation.

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

But my question is whether the minister will make that decision. Will it be made by people lower than the minister?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

It is a government decision.

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NDP

Wayne Marston NDP Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

“Government decision” to me says “minister”.

Thanks very much.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

I have Mr. Brison.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Thank you very much for joining us today.

What analysis has the department done to determine that the current definition of unsuitable work is wrong or justifies a change? What was the analysis of that?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

The definition currently in the Employment Insurance Act is very general in nature and does not give Canadians a sense of what specifically constitutes a reasonable job search. It does not provide clarity in terms of what constitutes suitable employment. As a result, these proposed regulations, as part of the current BIA, would actually provide some clarity for unemployed Canadians who are on EI and looking for work.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

There were over 500,000 EI recipients in February. What percentage of those would you expect to be affected by this change in definition?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

The proposed definitions will apply to all regular claimants as well as to all fishing claimants. Essentially, the new definitions will apply to all.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Yes, but what percentage of these recipients do you believe will not qualify as a result of this change?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

These changes are not changing any of the qualifying criteria. They do not affect eligibility—how people will get into the EI program to get benefits—nor do they affect the amount of money they will receive or the duration. They simply clarify what they need to do while they are on claim in terms of looking for work and in terms of the type of work they should be accepting.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

The expectation is that these changes will have an effect in that some of the people will not qualify, or they will affect the quantum of what they receive.

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Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance

Mark Hodgson

They don't actually have any effect on the amount of benefits people receive or on how long they receive them. They set out what they must do while they are receiving benefits in terms of job search efforts. Should employment opportunities be available that match their skills and that meet the criteria Minister Finley elaborated on last week, they would be expected to take that employment. They don't affect the amount of money they receive or the length of time they receive benefits.

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

And they don't affect how many hours they need.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Have you done any analysis or macroeconomic projections as to what the impact would be on unemployment rates in Canada as a result of this definition change?

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Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Mireille Laroche

No. The objective of this measure is really to help Canadians and support them in getting back to work more quickly. It's going to do that by providing them with enhanced labour market information. In terms of the impact on unemployment, it is really in the sense of helping them get back to work more quickly.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

But you haven't done any projections as to the impact on the unemployment rate in Canada.