Evidence of meeting #64 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was csis.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andrew Jackson  Chief Economist, Canadian Labour Congress
Pierre Céré  Spokesperson, Conseil national des chômeurs et chômeuses
Jason Clemens  Director of Research, Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Greg Smith  Vice-President, Finance, Risk Administration and Chief Financial Officer, PPP Canada Inc.
Paul Kennedy  As an Individual
Jane Londerville  University of Guelph, As an Individual
Michael Zigayer  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Jerome Brannagan  Deputy Chief, Operations, Windsor Police Service
Stephen Bolton  Director, Border Law Enforcement Strategies Division, Public Safety Canada
Superintendent Joe Oliver  Director General, Border Integrity, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Kennedy, you mentioned that somebody would talk to you about criminal law, and I was wondering how many years you practised criminal law?

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As an Individual

Paul Kennedy

I was a lawyer with the Department of Justice for 25 years. I started off as a criminal prosecutor in Toronto for about eight years. I picked it up again as the senior general counsel for the Federal Prosecution Service. I was responsible for the criminal prosecutions in Canada in terms of drugs, proceeds of crime, money laundering, those things.

7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Actually, it says that in your bio, which is on the website in front of me; thanks very much, Mr. Brison.

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As an Individual

Paul Kennedy

Of course, I have four-plus years on the.... As chairman of the commission, one has to refresh one's knowledge of criminal law.

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Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Absolutely, and you were reappointed once by this government.

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Twice by this government, that's right.

In your time as a prosecutor, did you ever lose any cases?

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As an Individual

Paul Kennedy

Some, but usually I could convict you.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

That begs the question, what do you know about me?

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As an Individual

Paul Kennedy

This is equivalent to the French “un”, as in “one”.

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Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes, thank you very much. I appreciate that. I've never been convicted, nor charged. I only wanted to say that for the record. As I said, I was a criminal lawyer, but not a criminal and a lawyer at the same time.

That was my point. The one thing I do know—and I have a short period of time—is that in every room that has two lawyers, there will be three opinions. One will be on one side, one will be on the other, and one will be somewhere in between.

Thank you.

8 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

That was what they said about economists—they've predicted 12 of the last five recessions.

Thank you.

Mr. Brison, you'll probably have a couple of minutes. Once the bells ring, I will adjourn.

8 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Thank you very much.

I have a question on mortgage policies. When were 40-year, no-down-payment mortgages first introduced in Canada?

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Prof. Jane Londerville

In the early 2000s and they weren't around for very long.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Around 2007—

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Prof. Jane Londerville

In 2004, 2005, something like that, and they were only there for like two years, maybe.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

It was actually 2006.

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Prof. Jane Londerville

Okay. So there you go.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Yes. It was 2006. There was a big take-up on them at the time.

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Prof. Jane Londerville

There was, yes.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

I think around 40% of first-time mortgages fell into that category.

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Prof. Jane Londerville

I don't know that percentage, but I wouldn't be surprised. I saw some stats from Genworth where they had done quite a.... A third of theirs were 40 years in the year that I was looking at.

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Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

So, they are introduced in 2006 and the decision to reduce the amortization period came about after the global financial crisis, is that correct?

8 p.m.

Prof. Jane Londerville

Yes. I think 2008 was the drop to 35 years, and 2010 to 30 years. Something like that.