Evidence of meeting #154 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bank.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Grahame Johnson  Managing Director, Funds Management and Banking Department, Bank of Canada
Nicolas Marion  Chief, Capital Markets and International Affairs, Securities Policies Division, Department of Finance
Marie-Josée Lambert  Director, Crown Corporations and Currency, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Richard Wall  Managing Director, Currency, Bank of Canada
Justin Brown  Director, Financial Stability, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Léticia Villeneuve  Economist, Trade Rules, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Michèle Govier  Senior Director, Trade Rules, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Annie Moulin  Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Patrick Barthold  Director, Northern Governance and Partnerships Directorate, Northern Governance Branch, Northern Affairs, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Christian Sylvain  Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Jeannine Ritchot  Executive Director, Regulatory Cooperation, Regulatory Affairs Secretariat, Treasury Board Secretariat
Don Parker  Director, Strategic Policy, Communications Security Establishment
Julie Lalonde-Goldenberg  Director General, Partnerships Development and Management Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
Andrew Brown  Acting Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Cara Scales  Director, Policy Analysis and Initiatives, Employment and Insurance Policy, Department of Employment and Social Development
Catherine McKinnon  Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs, Courts and Tribunal Policy, Department of Justice
Anna Dekker  Counsel, Judicial Affairs, Courts and Tribunal Policy, Public Law Sector, Department of Justice
Manuel Dussault  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julien Brazeau  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jeremy Weil  Senior Project Leader, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Saskia Tolsma  Senior Economist, Sectoral Policy Analysis, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
David Dewar  Director, Strategic Policy & Government Affairs, Policy & Strategic Direction, Department of Western Economic Diversification
Selena Beattie  Director of Operations, Cabinet Affairs, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office
Marianna Giordano  Director, CPP Policy and Legislation, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Ann Sheppard  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

7:20 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

We are talking about wildlife protection and not species at risk.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

Regarding the idea of treating an entity as a crown corporation for this purpose, has that happened before? It's not a crown corporation, but you're treated as a crown corporation for a specific decision, or sale, or whatever.

Are there other instances where that's happened or is this a new development?

7:25 p.m.

Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Annie Moulin

I'm not aware of it, but I can get back to the committee on this.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay. I just find that strange that you're acting like a crown corporation, but you're not.

If you can find an example, find it.

I believe that's it on this division.

Go ahead, Mr. Dusseault.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Do we know what is involved in the transfer of real property and immovables?

Are significant costs involved?

7:25 p.m.

Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Annie Moulin

It is a transfer between the Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada and another federal organization. Administration of the station is simply being transferred to another department. The new department has the funds needed to manage the buildings.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Do you know how much the buildings are worth?

7:25 p.m.

Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Annie Moulin

I do not have that information with me.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

I am not familiar with the station.

7:25 p.m.

Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Annie Moulin

It is fairly large. There are four separate buildings: a large research centre, an office complex, and two buildings with apartments for visiting researchers.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Nevertheless, these are significant assets.

7:25 p.m.

Acting Director, Arctic Science Policy Integration, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Annie Moulin

Yes. The station is almost 7,000 m2.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

It will be the pride of the north, Mr. McLeod. Thank you very much for your information.

We're now turning to division 10, “Canadian Institutes of Health Research Act”. We have Mr. Sylvain, who is director general, corporate and government affairs, Canadian Institutes for Health Research.

Welcome, and you know the drill.

7:25 p.m.

Christian Sylvain Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good evening everyone.

Three amendments to the Canadian Institutes of Health Research Act are being proposed in the bill. I will describe them very briefly.

The first and perhaps most important is to separate the roles of president and chairperson of the governing council. Currently these two roles are combined and held by the same person.

The second is to simplify the language to describe the responsibility of the governing council to establish policies and to clarify to whom certain powers can be delegated.

The third would ensure that the French version of the act is clear because the term “président” is used to refer to both the chair of the Governing Council and the organization's chief executive officer. This creates confusion.

These three changes will modernize the governance of our agency. I'd be happy to answer questions you may have.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any questions for Mr. Sylvain?

We'll have a quick one from Mr. Albas.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

There are 18 members on the board, correct?

7:25 p.m.

Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research

Christian Sylvain

There are up to 18 members.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Is that to represent a diverse confederation? Are there provincial representatives and then an executive? That's a really large group.

7:25 p.m.

Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research

Christian Sylvain

Yes, it is in part to capture the diversity of the health research community that is 13,000-strong in the country. There are so many different disciplines and so many sectors that we feel a board of that magnitude is needed.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

All right.

7:25 p.m.

Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research

Christian Sylvain

However, we rarely have 18 members.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Dusseault.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Clause 253(1)(a) of the bill, which probably concerns CIHR's mandate, states the following: “developing its strategic directions and goals”. I do not have the current version of the legislation. What change is being requested?

7:25 p.m.

Director General, Corporate and Government Affairs, Canadian Institutes of Health Research

Christian Sylvain

The term “policies” appears in two places within this section of the act, which creates confusion internally. The goal is to combine these two paragraphs into a single paragraph in order to give the Governing Council the authority required to establish all the organization's policies.

The change will simplify the text.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

This term is found between paragraphs 14(a) and (g).