Evidence of meeting #43 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was charity.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paulette Senior  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Women's Foundation
Rahul O. Singh  Executive Director, GlobalMedic
Vivian Krause  Researcher and Writer, As an Individual
Jesse Brown  Publisher, CANADALAND, As an Individual
Michelle Kovacevic  Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Evelyn Lukyniuk

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

On that call on April 16, it would have been Rachel Wernick and also the associate deputy minister.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Which one? Who's that?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

Benoît Robidoux.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Did they suggest where they had heard the idea of bringing in WE?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

This wasn't about bringing in WE. This was about the fact that we could partner with a company like WE to do volunteer matching on ESDC's—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

The question was, did they mention where they heard that idea?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Pierre, we'll give her time to answer.

Ms. Kovacevic.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

The idea was a partnership: Could a company like WE do volunteer matching?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I have a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Go ahead. What's your point of order?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I'm not interested in what the idea was. I'm asking where it came from. The question was very specific. It was very clear. We don't have a lot of time. I'd ask you to call the witness to answer the question.

The question was, did ESDC officials in that meeting mention where they had first heard the idea of bringing WE into the delivery of this program or involving it in any way?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

All I can say is that ESDC raised the issue. We never discussed where the issue came from. That is it.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

How many times did you discuss WE with exempt staff in the government?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

I wouldn't know, off the top of my head.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Was it once?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

Leading up to the Prime Minister's announcement, I imagine there would be a number of occasions where I would talk about the partnerships that we could enter into with WE.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

About WE, was it roughly half a dozen times?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

I don't know. I can't recall.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Do you remember with whom you discussed WE—the exempt staff?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

I would very gladly turn over my emails and we could say very specifically with whom I was discussing. I would like to make clear to the committee that the discussions were on a broad range of ideas and companies.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Yes, that's fine.

Did you ever discuss WE with Minister Morneau?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Michelle Kovacevic

Yes, most certainly. Of course, the government—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

When? On what dates?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Just give the witness—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

She did answer the question, to her credit. On what dates?