Evidence of meeting #47 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cabinet.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Katie Telford  Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, Office of the Prime Minister
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Caroline Bosc

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

No.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I suspected that might be a problem. It's very convenient timing for the lights to go out.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

I got a message to the effect that his power's gone out. I have no reason to distrust him.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I hope you don't pull the fire alarm now.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

There's no intent…. In my own private home here, in the middle of a pandemic, I don't have a fire alarm. I propose—

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Fraser, the general process is that the vice-chair assumes the chairing of the meeting, so we'll continue.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Pierre Poilievre

That would be me. We'll continue the meeting and I now give the floor to the member for Carleton.

Mr. Prime Minister, you have…. I'm going to ask you one last time. How much did your family get from this organization? How much?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Have you read the Conflict of Interest Act, Mr. Poilievre?

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Pierre Poilievre

Yes, I have.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

How does it define “family”?

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Pierre Poilievre

I'm asking you how much your family got.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

The Conflict of Interest Act defines “family” as spouse and direct dependants.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Point of order....

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Pierre Poilievre

Right, so you're not going to answer the question then.

4:05 p.m.

A voice

Wait a second.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

I can say that my family has not received any money that was paid—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Pierre Poilievre

So you're not going to answer the question about how much your family received.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

My wife did not receive any payment—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Hold it, gentlemen, if you….

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

—for working with WE, and it was cleared by the Ethics Commissioner ahead of time.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Prime Minister—

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

On a point of order, can I welcome back Wayne Easter, a man we've deeply missed?

Come on, Wayne, where have you been? Were you out getting a coffee?

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I had things under control for you while you were gone.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I imagine that, Pierre. It wouldn't be the first time you tried to put my lights out, and that's exactly what happened. We get a thunderstorm here.

Anyway, you're well into your five minutes, but go with one last question.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Trudeau, I'm going to conclude by asking you….

You claim that you have no knowledge of the amount that has been paid in expenses to your spouse. You correctly pointed out that the act defines “family” as including a spouse. Therefore, you know you're under investigation regarding the act....

I'm going to ask you again. How much, in total—and I'm looking for a dollar figure here, sir—did your spouse receive in reimbursed expenses or other benefits from this organization? How much?