Evidence of meeting #47 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cabinet.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Katie Telford  Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, Office of the Prime Minister
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Caroline Bosc

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod, for your words and, quite frankly, for your advocacy for northern youth and indeed all youth across the country. I share those concerns. That's why we moved forward with multiple ways to support young people throughout this pandemic. We looked at a $9-billion package to support young people that included deferral of student loans and creation of summer jobs and opportunities for them at a time when we know their regular summer jobs may not exist because of the pandemic. It also included the Canada emergency student response benefit that gives $1,250 per month to students who need it and $2,000 a month to students who have dependants, and that was something we worked out with other parties as well. There are many different things we're doing for young people.

This particular program, the Canada student service grant, was created to incentivize and to reward young people who are stepping up in their communities. It was about giving a grant to young people for that service that so many of them were doing already. What we continue to see—even without this financial reward we would have been able to deliver and its coordination across the country—are young people in the north, in the south, right across the country, stepping up and volunteering in community organizations because they know this is a historic time in which their actions, their voices, their efforts can shape our country for the better. Again, I'm always deeply grateful to young people and their leadership within our country.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

Thank you for that response.

I heard your response to my colleague when he asked about this program earlier. I'm hoping I can use this opportunity to encourage the delivery of this program, maybe through the public service instead, and the consideration of adjusting the original eligibility period to sometime down the road into October, or perhaps re-profiling the grant funding into another program to support young Canadians.

Is that something cabinet would be interested in talking about?

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Absolutely. We know that we need to do more for young people, and encouraging young people to volunteer and be involved in their communities is a great way of not only giving them experiences and opportunities but tangibly helping out seniors, young people, marginalized people and community organizations. These are things that young people, young students stepping up, can make a huge difference in, so we're going to continue to look for ways to do this.

As I said, the Canada service corps, which was created a few years ago, is exactly about that, about coordinating volunteer organizations to create opportunities for young people across the country. It wasn't able to scale up in a way that allowed the public service to choose it to deliver the CSSG program, but as we continue to look for other ways to deliver the CSSG, I know that the Canada service corps, which is internal to government, is something people are looking at very carefully.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You'll have to split 30 seconds with the Prime Minister, Mr. McLeod.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

I just wanted to ask if he could lay out some of the challenges that the Canada service corps program faced that made it unable to deliver the program initially.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Please do it very quickly, Prime Minister.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

We were hoping to launch a first pilot project with about 7,000 volunteers this September, as a way of starting the activities of the Canada service corps in a tangible way. That's a far cry from the tens of thousands of volunteers that we would have needed or wanted, through this program, to give grants to in this time of pandemic. It was a scale problem and a program delivery challenge.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you.

We'll go to Mr. Poilievre, who will be followed by Ms. Dzerowicz.

Mr. Poilievre, you have five minutes, please.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I have a yes-or-no question.

Prime Minister, you twice were found guilty of breaking the ethics act. After those two convictions, did you decide to read the act?

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You have 14 seconds, Prime Minister.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Yes, I have read the act a number of times.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Are you aware of section 21?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Yes. Since I've read the act, I'm aware of section 21.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

What does it say?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

I can pull it up for you, but if you have it in front of you—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

It says, “A public office holder”—and you are one—“shall recuse himself or herself from any discussion, decision, debate or vote on any matter in respect of which he or she would be in a conflict of interest.”

What you've admitted today is not just that you were in a conflict of interest, but that you consciously recognized in your May cabinet meeting that such a conflict might exist. It didn't just slide by your desk. You were consciously aware that there was an inappropriate link to your family that would put you in a conflict.

Why did you, at that moment, not call the Ethics Commissioner and recuse yourself?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

That is simply not true, Mr. Poilievre. The issue of advancing issues for one's own family.... By the way, the Ethics Commissioner is looking into this right now and I fully trust his judgment in determining it. At the same time, my concern around recusing myself was a question around perceptions, because I knew full well that this Canada student service grant program—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Your 16 seconds are up.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

—was not going to directly benefit my mother or my brother—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Your 16 seconds are up.

I'm going to ask you again, because nobody believes you when you say you don't know how much money your family has gotten from the WE group. You've had a month to look into that. You knew you were going to testify here.

Again, how much money in total has your brother, mother and spouse received from this organization?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

That information has been publicly shared, but I will highlight—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Well, then tell me what it is. How much?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

—that my mother has worked—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I just want the dollar figure.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

—throughout her life, in various ways—