Evidence of meeting #11 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was question.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andrew Marsland  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Soren Halverson  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Nicholas Leswick  Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Tushara Williams  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Evelyn Dancey  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Development and Corporate Finance Branch, Department of Finance

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I call this meeting to order. Welcome to meeting number 11 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Finance.

Pursuant to the order of reference on November 19, 2020, the committee is meeting on its study of the pre-budget consultations in advance of the 2021 budget.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of September 23, 2020. The proceedings will be made available by the House of Commons website. The webcast will always show the person speaking rather than the entirety of the committee.

To save time, I'll not go through the procedures, because most of us here are members of Parliament.

We're very fortunate to have the Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister with us today. Minister Freeland, we'll ask you to keep your remarks as tight as you can, and then we will go to questions. I believe you are here for an hour.

Go ahead, Minister.

4 p.m.

University—Rosedale Ontario

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland LiberalMinister of Finance

Thank you, Chair.

Let me quickly thank the fine public servants who are with me. I'm accompanied by Andrew Marsland, senior assistant deputy minister, tax policy branch; Nick Leswick, assistant deputy minister, economic and fiscal policy branch; Evelyn Dancey, from the economic development and corporate finance branch; Soren Halverson, financial sector policy branch; and Katharine Rechico, from the international trade and finance branch.

We have brought a full court press.

I'll just make some opening remarks then I'm happy to answer your questions.

Protecting the health and safety of Canadians is the government's top priority. As you know, last week, I released the government's fall economic statement for 2020, entitled “Supporting Canadians and Fighting COVID-19”.

The second wave of the pandemic—

4 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. My apologies, but the French and English are at even volume, and it's very hard to understand.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Minister, can you check that at the bottom of the screen you're on the language you're speaking?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

Yes, I did it. My apologies.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

One more question, Mr. Chair; has Mr. Poilievre arrived?

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I don't see him.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I believe he's in the waiting room.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

The second wave of the pandemic is aggressive. The winter will be challenging, but there is reason to be optimistic. Safe and effective vaccines are coming soon, and we have a plan to face the months ahead and kick-start the economy.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

My apologies, Mr. Chair, on another point of order.

I mentioned as the minister was beginning again that Mr. Poilievre was in the waiting room. Is there somebody able to let him in?

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Yes, they will be looking after that. We had quorum, so we started.

December 8th, 2020 / 4 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB

On the same point of order, Mr. Chair, if the member is unable to attend the meeting, this may actually be a strong matter of privilege. Can we ensure that Mr. Poilievre is permitted to join the meeting, because it's his privilege as an MP to attend this meeting?

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

If he's had technical issues, I would agree, but Mr. Poilievre always comes in at the last second.

There he is now, so we'll wait for him.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB

He had been waiting for some time, according to the message I have here.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Poilievre, do you want a sound test before the minister continues?

4 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Yes.

There was a problem in the waiting room, but I'm with you now, Mr. Chair. I know you were worried I wouldn't be here.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

The minister had started and introduced the senior officials from the department, so you didn't miss a thing.

Minister, please continue.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

The fall economic statement details our plan to protect Canadian lives, Canadian jobs and Canadian businesses, and we are moving quickly to deliver on our commitments.

The legislation I tabled last week, Bill C-14, proposes to move forward with several urgent COVID-19 related measures in the fall economic statement that will help Canadians get through this pandemic and strengthen our health response.

For example, the legislation would provide low- and middle-income families who are entitled to the Canada child benefit with additional support of up to $1,200 for each child under the age of six in 2021.

It would also help young Canadians by eliminating, for one year, the interest on their repayment of the federal portion of the Canada student loans and Canada apprentice loans.

Bill C-14 also sets out up to $505.7 million in 2021 to help long-term care facilities prevent the spread of COVID-19. Under the bill, $400 million in additional funding will also go to various measures including support for mental health, substance abuse, COVID-19 testing and telemedicine.

I hope all members will consider this legislation with the urgency it deserves. I know that we all know that Canadians are counting on us.

Mr. Chair, last week's fall economic statement also outlined a growth plan to jump-start Canada's economy once the coronavirus is under control.

The government will invest between 3% and 4% of Canada's gross domestic product, or GDP, over three years. The government will provide further details on its recovery plan in the months ahead leading up to budget 2021. The plan will be based on creating good jobs for the middle class.

This, Mr. Chair, is needed economic policy and this is smart economic policy. One of the lessons of the 2008-09 global financial crisis is that withdrawing fiscal support too soon after a deep downturn can hamper growth for years afterwards. Our government will not repeat that mistake.

That said, our stimulus, our growth plan, will be time limited and carefully targeted. Fiscal guardrails will help us establish when the stimulus will be wound down. When the economy has recovered, time-limited measures will be withdrawn and Canada will resume its prudent and responsible fiscal path.

Uncertainties about the timing of the pandemic and global economic developments mean that the timeline for recovery should not be locked into a rigid, predetermined calendar. Instead, the government will track progress against several related indicators, recognizing that no one data point is a perfect representation of the health of the economy. These indicators include the employment rate, total hours worked and the level of unemployment in the economy.

Mr. Chair, I'm very glad the committee is beginning its consultations. The federal government will launch our own pre-budget consultations in the new year. We all very much look forward to hearing from Canadians about their priorities as we design our growth plan.

I look forward to hearing Canadians' ideas on what we can do to support families and businesses, kick-start the economy and keep Canada's strong fiscal position.

We Canadians have faced adversity in the past. We've faced tough winters, and we have always emerged stronger than before. I know that we will this time too.

I would be pleased now to answer your questions.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Madam Minister.

I assume the speaking list for the Conservatives is Mr. Poilievre first. If I'm wrong, you'll have to correct me, Mr. Poilievre.

We'll go to a six-minute round. Madam Minister, as on the night of the estimates in the House, we're following COVID-19 rules during this session. Try to keep your answers as close as possible to the time that they took for the questions.

Mr. Poilievre, the floor is yours.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

With the government printing money to pay its bills, the cost of living is rising. Carbon taxes and other taxes are only adding to the problem. Groceries will go up by $700 per family. With these higher costs and rocketing unemployment, why is the Minister of Finance proposing to raise taxes—carbon taxes, liquor taxes and payroll taxes—right at a time when Canadians can least afford to pay?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

Thank you for the question.

Let me point out that jobs recovery in Canada, while incomplete, has actually been strong, in that 80% of the jobs lost in the depth of the coronavirus recession have recovered, and that compares to just around 60% in the United States. Canadians are going back to work, and I congratulate them.

On the tax front, Mr. Chair, let me also point out that we have frozen the level of EI contributions very much in recognition of the fact that the Canadian economy needs some work, and when it comes to groceries—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I'll have to go back to Mr. Poilievre.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Will the minister commit to freezing all tax increases rather than raising them on January 1, yes or no?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland Liberal University—Rosedale, ON

Let me just say that when it comes to groceries, one of the reasons I singled out in my opening remarks the Canada child benefit was that we are very aware of the additional support that some families need.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

The question is very simple: Will the government freeze taxes on January 1 or will it raise them, yes or no?