Evidence of meeting #48 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rivers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Charles LeBlanc  President, New Brunswick Wildlife Federation
Charles Cusson  Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation
Brian Moore  Vice-Chairman, Miramichi Salmon Association Inc.
J.W. Bird  Chairman Emeritus, Miramichi Salmon Association Inc.
David LeBlanc  Executive Director, Restigouche River Watershed Management Council Inc.
Mark Hambrook  President, Miramichi Salmon Association Inc.

May 26th, 2015 / 11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order and thank our guests for joining us today. We have by video conference Mr. LeBlanc from the New Brunswick Wildlife Federation, and here in person we have Mr. Cusson from the Atlantic Salmon Federation.

As you're well aware, we're studying recreational fishing in Canada. We generally allow about 10 minutes for opening comments and remarks from our guests, and then we proceed into questions and answers. I'd ask that you try to keep your answers fairly concise, as members are limited by certain time constraints. In order to get as many questions as possible in, I'd ask you to please respect that.

Having said all that, I'm not sure who wants to go first, Mr. Cusson or Mr. LeBlanc? I don't think any particular order is needed.

Mr. LeBlanc, if you want to go first with your remarks, we'll later proceed with Mr. Cusson. The floor is yours any time you are ready.

11:10 a.m.

Charles LeBlanc President, New Brunswick Wildlife Federation

Thank you, Mr. Weston.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

New Brunswick is fortunate to be geographically situated along the Atlantic Ocean. This offers a multitude of fishing opportunities throughout the year, be it smelt fishing under the ice, followed by the black salmon fishing and angling, and then the return of our sea-running brook trout. As you see, as the seasons move forward, so do the opportunities and different species.

We now have access to striped bass fishing followed by the return of the king of the rivers, our wild Atlantic salmon, which we hope come in big numbers. In the summertime, you can find many New Brunswickers jigging for mackerel or cod off our shores. Inland, we're blessed with many species. We have 22 species of fish, and the New Brunswick Wildlife Federation has a master angler program whereby we monitor angling throughout the province. Anglers are asked to send pictures of released fish, so we try to get the weights and lengths of different species that we have under this program, those being eel, Atlantic salmon, land-locked salmon, brook trout, catfish, and many others.

All of these fishing opportunities are steeped in tradition, and they all have a very important economic value to our province—that is, people are building cottages along waterways and building camps and buying boating equipment, as well as fishing and angling equipment. The Atlantic Salmon Federation had Gardner Pinfold come up with a report in 2010 that showed that the Atlantic salmon alone was worth $255 million and provided 3,800 full-time equivalent jobs in eastern Canada. That was in 2010. That's just one species for which we were able to get the exact figures, and if you would combine all the other species we have in our province, you could see how important financially these fish are.

The biggest threat to recreational fishing in my mind would be the environment. We have climate change that we have no control of—well, that's disputable. Whether or not we have control of it, we should try to do better as humans. If we are having an impact on climate change, we should be having better practices. Also, we need to protect our rivers. We also need to manage our forestry practices better and to look at other ways of siltation. We have to be very aware of the way we do things around our river systems.

The problem in New Brunswick is that we have invasive species. People are moving fish. It's not a new thing coming in. People have been moving fish, and a lot of the species we have today in our province, such as small-mouth bass, have been introduced. They are moving in waters where historically they have not been, so people are moving fish. In that respect we have our Miramichi Lake, which has small-mouth bass that could be very detrimental to our Atlantic salmon that come to this Miramichi Lake area to spawn. Invasive species are a big problem.

Right now we have a decline in our Atlantic salmon populations. All I'd like to say is that we're doing the best we can. I want to thank Minister Shea for her recent actions of putting a board of very qualified people to look at the situation with the Atlantic salmon stocks and to come up with some immediate action. This year in New Brunswick the Atlantic salmon will all be released and there will be no retention of Atlantic salmon. I know a lot of members of my group harvest. We have a traditional harvesting and our families enjoy this wild fish, but everybody has to contribute. The numbers are low, so we have to contribute in helping the stocks to rise. For that I thank the minister for her insight.

That's about all. I'm very happy to be invited here today to talk about this topic; it's important to our province. I hope that in your deliberation you may find some ways to help.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, Mr. LeBlanc.

Mr. Cusson, the floor is yours now, sir.

11:10 a.m.

Charles Cusson Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll endeavour to get through all this in the allotted time.

I'm the program director for Quebec of the Atlantic Salmon Federation. We've submitted a brief to you that I understand has been translated.

On behalf of the ASF, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the committee for the opportunity to present some facts and recommendations with respect to the importance of the wild Atlantic salmon sports fishery in eastern Canada.

The subjects I will speak on this morning will be in regard to who we are as an organization, the value of wild Atlantic salmon, the state of our wild populations, issues related to the management of the resource, research on high marine mortality, and the Greenland and Saint-Pierre et Miquelon fisheries.

ASF was founded in 1948 in Montreal. We carry out research, advocacy, public awareness—

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Mr. Cusson, I'm sorry to interrupt you for a moment.

Mr. Cleary.

11:15 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

I understand that Mr. Cusson's presentation is not in both languages. I'm sorry to hear that, but I understand that there is an English version. Can we get a copy of at least the English version?

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

It would take unanimous consent. Are you seeking unanimous consent?

Is there unanimous consent?

11:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

No.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

There's no consent.

Thank you, Mr. Cleary.

Mr. Cusson, please proceed.

11:15 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

Thank you.

We carry out research, advocacy, public awareness, and community outreach to confront the threats throughout the salmon's life cycle. We have seven regional councils and 125 affiliated organizations throughout its range in North America.

Our research department has five full-time biologists on staff. We are internationally recognized for our research capabilities, have published many peer-reviewed scientific articles, and are invited to participate in scientific exchanges locally, nationally, and internationally.

Our main research programs are based on the marine survival of wild Atlantic salmon and interactions between Atlantic salmon and escapees from aquaculture stations. We conduct also research on the feasibility of freshwater, land-based, closed containment aquaculture in cooperation with The Conservation Fund's Freshwater lnstitute in West Virginia, and we also promote the benefits of live-release angling in all the Atlantic salmon regions of Canada.

In regard to the value of the wild Atlantic salmon, as Mr. LeBlanc stated a few minutes ago, in 2010 we contracted Gardner Pinfold to conduct a socio-economic study on the value of Atlantic salmon. Given the fact that from 1985 to 2009 DFO's budget decreased 75% relative to inflation, the actual amounts fell from $24 million to $12 million. On the other hand, the Pinfold study indicated that NGOs such as ours and others spent $15 million, plus another $12 million in kind, for salmon conservation activities in 2010.

The study also calculated the value of the recreational fishery itself at $115 million, which as Mr. LeBlanc also indicated earlier creates quite a few jobs in regions that depend on sustainable economic development.

The study entailed sampling of 1,324 anglers and 995 non-users of the resource in Atlantic Canada and Quebec. There was support for investment in the range of $4.50 to $12.50 per tax-paying household from 80% of the non-users. These are people who don't even fish. The support was conditional, though, on demonstrating progress in restoration and was based on economic, intrinsic, and ecological values.

The $12 million budget for DFO is far below the annual value of $105 million perceived by the Canadian public. When salmon populations are restored, the value of wild Atlantic salmon could very well surpass the 2010 value.

In regard to the state of our populations right now, we recently received the 2014 ICES report, which confirmed what we already knew about how terrible the runs were last year. The total estimate for two-sea-winter spawners in North America for 2014 decreased 13% from 2013 and did not meet the total two-sea-winter minimum conservation limits for North America. North American returns were near record lows for Quebec, the regions of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, Scotia-Fundy, and the U.S.A. ln fact, only 30% of the 60 assessed rivers—that's 18 rivers out of 60—met their minimum conservation limits last year.

To put this into perspective, a minimum conservation limit is a threshold gauged after harvests by anglers and first nations have taken place and below which biologists warn that salmon should not fall. ln order to achieve a sustainable salmon run, the number of spawning salmon must consistently stay above the minimum conservation limits. The Miramichi, for example, which has historically produced 20% of North American Atlantic salmon, last year only reached 69% of its minimum spawning requirements on the southwest and only 21% on the northwest.

At the very least, there should be no harvest of salmon from populations that are not surpassing their minimum conservation limits.

In regard to issues related to the management of the resource, Canada monitors fewer than 10% of its Atlantic salmon rivers, a level that is insufficient to make effective management decisions.

Allocations to all fisheries must be based on the health of individual salmon populations and their ability to sustain an individual river's salmon run in perpetuity. Progress has been made in reducing the number of retention licences in the recreational fishery, but DFO and Quebec still issue retention licences to angle salmon populations not meeting minimum conservation limits.

An issue related to management is the reporting. The overall harvest in Canada last year was 105 tonnes, made up of 51 tonnes from the recreational fishery, 53 tonnes from the aboriginal fishery, and 1.6 tonnes of the bycatch from the Labrador resident trout fishery. The harvest was reduced compared to 2013, when it was 135 tonnes.

The Listuguj Salmon Summit in 2014, which I attended, provided material that indicated that the harvest in the Atlantic salmon fisheries on the Restigouche has been underestimated. It provided recommendations for improvements in reporting harvest that included the need for mandatory reporting and survey returns and a system that links reporting with licence purchase.

A recommendation we put forward recently would be to improve reporting of catches in aboriginal and angler harvests by disallowing the reissuing of tags or licences to individuals who failed to report their harvests from the previous year. This is something that is being tried to be implemented for the Greenland fishery, which I'll touch on in a second.

Enforcement is another important issue in regard to management. Our unreported catch in 2013 was 24 tonnes, which is most likely underestimated. Our recommendation is that there be an increase in surveillance, protection, and enforcement to control illegal harvest of salmon in rivers, estuaries, and along our coasts.

The wild Atlantic salmon conservation policy, which became a policy of the government in 2009, is a blueprint for the conservation of Atlantic salmon. The only problem is that it's never been funded, so consequently it cannot be put into effect.

We are recommending that an independent review of progress in achieving the goals of the Canadian wild Atlantic salmon conservation policy be developed, that an action plan identify the priorities for implementation, that timelines be carried out, and that it be funded.

In regard to research, in the marine environment, based on the ICES advice to NASCO, the continued low abundance of salmon stock across North America—despite significant fisheries reduction and generally sustained smolt production from the limited number of monitored rivers—strengthens the conclusions that factors acting on survival in the first and second years at sea are constricting the abundance of Atlantic salmon.

We therefore recommend there be an increase in resources, staff, and funding for research on low marine survival rates of Atlantic salmon to provide a more meaningful contribution by Canada to ICES, to NASCO's Salmon Research Board, and to other marine mortality research programs that are going on, such as ASF's tracking program.

Lastly, in regard to Greenland and St-Pierre and Miquelon, the Greenland government has become very aggressive in its harvesting of salmon, especially since 2012 when it instituted a fishery. From 2002 to 2011, the harvest at Greenland stayed below 20 tonnes, which was for personal consumption. That changed in 2012 when the Greenland government announced that it was fed up with watching NASCO parties, such as Canada, carry out a huge retention fishery.

In recent years the Greenland fishery harvests have been consistently made up of 80% to 95% of North American salmon, most of them obviously Canadian. The total reported salmon harvest at Greenland rose to 34 tonnes in 2012, to 47 tonnes in 2013, and to 58 tonnes in 2014, along with an estimated unreported catch of 10 tonnes. A NASCO monitoring and control group working with Greenland ascertained the unreported catch is likely very underestimated.

The commercial fishery is conducted by about 320 professional fishermen who apply for a free licence each year, which permits them to fish with 70-metre gill nets, 20 at a time. In 2013 only 66 out of the 320 reported their catches.

Our recommendations are that we strengthen Canadian influence and diplomacy to reduce and control the harvest of Canadian salmon in Greenland; to improve management of Canadian salmon fisheries to show leadership to Greenland; to work aggressively with Greenland both bilaterally and through NASCO; to limit the Greenland fishery to no more than 20 tonnes for personnel consumption; and to work aggressively, both bilaterally and through NASCO, toward effective monitoring and control of Greenland's salmon fisheries.

Finally, with the question of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, this fishery harvests mixed stocks of salmon primarily of Canadian origin. The harvest in this fishery reached 5.3 tonnes in 2013, the largest since reporting began in 1970. It consisted of 588 large salmon and 1,764 grilse. The preliminary genetic research shows that 37% of these fish originated from the Gaspé region of Quebec; 34% from Newfoundland; 22% from the Maritimes, including the Miramichi; and 7% from the Quebec upper north shore. France, with respect to Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, has consistently refused to join NASCO. France's membership in NASCO would allow a more robust discussion and planning to control this fishery. On that, we recommend that we work aggressively bilaterally with France to join NASCO as a party with respect to Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, and/or control this fishery through agreements between Canada and France directly.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you, Mr. Cusson.

We'll go into questions at this point.

We'll start with Mr. Cleary.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the witnesses.

My riding is St. John's South—Mount Pearl in Newfoundland and Labrador. I've seen a lot of changes in the salmon fishery, both the recreational fishery and the commercial fishery, in my 25 years as a journalist and as a member of Parliament. Back in 1991 when they introduced a moratorium on commercial fishing of Atlantic salmon, we thought that would be the start of a return of the salmon stock. That did not happen. The most recent news in Newfoundland and Labrador is a story, just this week, about a catch-and-release policy being implemented for Newfoundland and Labrador rivers similar to what's going on in places like New Brunswick, which is unheard of in Newfoundland and Labrador. We've never had that before. We understand, as you just outlined, that the salmon are not coming back from the sea. I'm sure as you just outlined there's an impact on the fishing in the Saint-Pierre corridor off southern Newfoundland. There's an impact, as you outlined, with 58 tonnes being caught in Greenland plus probably another 10 tonnes poached. Then on top of that you have the Greenland and the aboriginal harvest as well.

We are federal members of Parliament, Mr. Cusson, as you know. One of my big concerns here is whether or not...and you outlined a number of concerns from a federal perspective in terms of Canadian rivers not being monitored. Fewer than 10% of rivers are being monitored. DFO's budget has been cut in half, I thought you said. You also mentioned that we need more enforcement. You talked about an independent review or an action plan funded.

My specific question has to do with the role of the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans in doing all it can do to ensure that our Atlantic salmon stocks are where they should be. Can you elaborate on that? I know that a few years ago there was the Cohen Commission of Inquiry into the Decline of Sockeye Salmon in the Fraser River. We've had a disappearance of Atlantic salmon in east coast rivers for decades. Some problems are known, as you've outlined, but nothing's being done to address them. My specific question has to do with the federal government and what it can be doing more of to make sure our Atlantic salmon stocks are where they need to be.

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

DFO could become the partner in research that it once was, I'd say, dating back to the 1980s, when the funding levels were a lot higher. We, as an NGO, have been doing a lot of research on the marine environment to try to find out where the “murder site”—a term we commonly use—is in the ocean. We've done a lot of work in the rivers. Our affiliates in all the provinces and our councils have been supporting work in rivers. We seem to have a pretty good handle on what's going on in the rivers. There are still a lot of issues to be addressed. Sometimes logging activities are not done the way they are supposed to be and they obviously affect the salmon's freshwater environment. But we know that the vast majority of the mortalities is happening in the estuaries and in the salt water. To be able to find that murder site we've been tracking juveniles and also adult salmon for a number of years. We are starting to get a better picture due to—

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

I'm going to stop you, Mr. Cusson.

Again, just to reiterate the point that the chair made. I've only got a few minutes so I need you to cut to the chase.

What more can the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans do to ensure that our Atlantic salmon stocks are where they should be?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

Get involved again in research in the marine environment.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Now, can you elaborate on that?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

They could be supporting our research activities in the marine environment, tracking juveniles, and tracking adult fish.

We have a very good idea of what route the juvenile fish take to make it back to Greenland. We're starting to have a much better idea of what route the adult fish take when they leave the rivers and this is based on the technological advances that we've been able to use. But it's an expensive proposition.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Can you put a dollar value on it, sir?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

To give you an idea, the satellite tags that we use to track the adult fish cost $2,500 each, but the payoff is that we know exactly where they go.

We know how long they stay along Anticosti Island, how long it takes them to go from there through the strait of Belle Isle, and where they end up west of Greenland.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

When you talk about an independent review or an action plan, are you talking about an independent review of the role the DFO plays with regard to Atlantic salmon?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

First of all, I think what needs to be done is to put the financing in place so that it can be applied. A review was scheduled for 2014, which would have marked five years, but the policy has never been implemented.

The money has to be put into getting the policy implemented and putting into practice what we find within the policy, which will have a beneficial effect on the salmon.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

You mentioned the cost of putting a tag on one salmon as $2,500, but in terms of a more global figure for the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans, what kind of figure would it take for DFO to do what it should to conserve salmon stocks?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

Bring back funding levels from the 1980s.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Ryan Cleary NDP St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

How much were they compared to now?

11:30 a.m.

Quebec Program Director, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Charles Cusson

Compared to now, the latest figure I have for Atlantic salmon is about $12 million, and that's down. If I can find my figure again...you mentioned $24 million.